The Origin of Novelty

And yet there are plenty of dwarfs that happen to live perfectly healthy long lives, right? So its not exactly selected against.You seem to be using you world view bias to decide what is deleterious and what isn't. I think the evolutionists view is that all mutations are neutral (at least until the environment says otherwise), and some just so happen to catch on.

All three. Achondroplasia is caused by a mutation in the FFGR3 gene. It produces a novel phenotype in that the parents did not display the phenotype because they did not have the mutation. It is also a disease in that it causes health problems in people who carry the mutation, and in the case of parents who both have the allele it is lethal in zygotes carrying two achondroplasia alleles.

Are you trying to show off your debate skills?

Then why isn't it dominant in the human population given that you only need one copy of allele to be a dwarf.

Seems that Bolder is still having trouble with the English language and what my statements have been, let me see if I can help him out.Mutation - A permanent, heritable change in the nucleotide sequence in a gene or a chromosome; the process in which such a change occurs in a gene or in a chromosome. SourceDisease - A pathologic condition in which the normal functioning of an organism or body is impaired or disrupted resulting in extreme pain, dysfunction, distress, or death. SourceNow, to avoid confusion for you pay attention to the second word in the definition of disease:Pathogen - An agent causing disease or illness to its host, such as an organism or infectious particle capable of producing a disease in another organism.Not sure about everyone else, but it seems that mutation and disease are two different things. One caused by an outside agent and the other caused by a change in the genes, which is heritable.So, while lay definitions may consider cystic fibrosis a disease, because it is actually caused by a change in the genes, it is actually a mutation. But, hey, thanks for trying to lie about what I said. Good to know that Jesus' warriors have no issue with lying.

Right!And, according to you, it is a gaining in function. Just like dark fur and elephant man's disease. And THIS is how you believe evolution works!

I'm giving you advice that you could profit from if you would take it.The options I have given seem to be the only options before you. At the moment, you are going with option (c): you are simply degrading yourself in public while we watch and think: "Ah, yes, creationism".

He did not, of course, say this. But you can make yourself look ridiculous and dishonest by saying so, so go for it.

So, where were we, after some rude interruptions from a drunken math professor?Oh, yes, I remember, how do we go from nothing to a fuly formed ear or eye. well, first we start off with a mutation (which we now know can also be called a deformity, a disease, or even a developmental retardation). We are not to judge these conditions, so long as the organism can live. Who knows what nature will favor.So you see, ALL of these things that you see in nature, that work so unbelievably well, despite the protestations from many an evolutionist, that its not the design they would choose, the point is, all of these intricate, precise pieces, which go together and form a near perfect focusing lens, with provisions for filtering light colors, for tracking fast moving objects, for seeing in various lighting conditions, for focusing at various distances, for self cleaning, for binocular sensing of spatial differences, for fast scanning of symbols, all of these features are products of these deformations, these diseases if you will. They are nothing more than the fortuitous timing of many many cleft palates, which slowly got better.All of these cleft palate like deformations, they happened randomly. But over time, good old natural selection found a use for them! In fact natural selection found a use for every one of the thousands upon thousands of cleft plate deformities. I know it seems ridiculous that each cleft plate like deformity would really be useful enough to confer an advantage-but hey, the secret recipe is time!Either believe this, or believe that there was something inherently intelligent about the design process. The choice is yours.

So you still don't understand the theory of evolution?In other news, sun rises in east.

Classic!Let's all drink to not understanding the Theory of Evolution!

I'll propose my own toast, thank you."To understanding the Theory of Evolution! Simple, lucid, and obvious, if you're not mentally handicapped."

That's not how natural selection works. It's a statistical tendency, it doesn't go about smiting everyone with a single deleterious mutation with lightning bolts.You really haven't grasped the theory of evolution at all, have you? So according to you:(a) My views tell me that mutations causing dwarfism in humans are deleterious.
(b) My views tell me that all mutations are neutral.You're funny.

It really doesn't matter if dwarfism is a gain in function or not. The pocket mouse example IS a gain in function, and you are once again using red herrings to distract attention away from that. Gains in function can also be deleterious, such as in the case of the evolution of URF13 in corn:On the evolution of Irreducible ComplexityWhat is it that you hope to gain by pointing to dwarfism? We already agree that random mutations can cause disease. You can label the mutations as a loss or a gain in function if you want. What exactly is your point as it relates to dwarfism?

No one is claiming that we start with nothing. Again, do you even understand what evolution is?We start with an organism, which is not nothing. We also start with an organism with a nervous system which is again not nothing. We also have an organism with the ability to produce differentiated tissues which is again not nothing.So how does an eye evolve? That would by through the process of mutatoins filtered through natural selection. Eyes are diseases? Do you even think about what you write?