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Message 7 of 871 (689739)
02-04-2013 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Bolder-dash
02-03-2013 11:45 PM


One of the best understood evolutionary pathways is the eye. The website for Encyclopedia Britannica has a very nice graphic showing various stages in the process, including an example of a currently living organism for each stage.

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Message 8 of 871 (689740)
02-04-2013 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by New Cat's Eye
02-04-2013 10:40 AM


You beat me to it, but mine has specific, extant examples, so there.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 10 of 871 (689743)
02-04-2013 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by New Cat's Eye
02-04-2013 10:48 AM


Well, since he was talking about specific examples, I figured I'd try to head that one off right at the start. Now he can't claim we're just making stuff up, unless he just ignores the evidence.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 12 of 871 (689745)
02-04-2013 11:09 AM
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02-04-2013 11:06 AM


Ok, so this is going to be a thread where you ask for examples of evolutionary pathways, we give them and you ask for more detail between each step. Goalpost moving 101, standard creo play, nothing interesting here.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 26 of 871 (689767)
02-04-2013 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Bolder-dash
02-04-2013 11:18 AM


Read the first sentence, I said elucidate a plausible chain of events.
I showed you a plausible chain of events. That it is plausible is demonstrated by the fact that we can see an organism that actually displays each step along the way.
Now, just posting a bunch of photos of a shallow eye, and then a deeper eye, and then suddenly a liquid filled eye, is not even closer to actually contemplating the problem, or explaining a chain of events that makes sense.
Rather than resorting to trite insults, perhaps you could explain exactly what it is that you are looking for, if not the steps that it took to get to a novel biological feature.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 30 of 871 (689772)
02-04-2013 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Blue Jay
02-04-2013 1:14 PM


I feel obligated to point out that the "transitional stages," in this case, aren't arranged in a phylogenetic order that is consistent with our evolutionary story.
My intent was not to furnish an actual pathway from ancient beginnings to current day, but instead to furnish current examples of each of the stages of the evolution of the eye. But the point you made is important to note. Thanks.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 68 of 871 (690069)
02-08-2013 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Bolder-dash
02-08-2013 9:48 AM


You know, if all that we presented in this thread were hypotheticals and maybes, your objections might be more defensible. However, given that this thread contains actual real world examples of living organisms showing each step in the process, you simply look like a typical creo, fingers in your ears, eyes closed, refusing to acknowledge reality.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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