UK's Thatcher, rot in hell . . .

Hi dronester.I was a child in the US during Thatcher's time as Prime Minister. I understand that it's highly likely that I would vehemently reject a great many of her policies, but I'm not sufficiently curious to dig into the matter and find out.But all of this "rot in hell" and "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" nonsense is rather awful. And of course this: was uncalled for.A woman died. That is a sad occasion, not a happy one. Whatever our disagreements, it is always sad when a person dies. Indeed, the person exhibiting the most sociopathic tendencies is the person who is glorying in the death of another human being - you are, at this moment, representing all of the hatred and apathetic disregard for human life and human dignity that you claim to oppose.One can oppose or even hate a set of views and actions. One can rejoice when a political opponent leaves all positions of power. But death is not something to cheer.

Thatcher's funeral should be privatised. Far from being state funded or using public money for security arrangements etc. it should instead be tendered out and sold to the highest bidder who would then be contractually responsible for security and suchlike. The state would then make money from the event and the successful bidder could sell tickets to the event for a profit. If this event is unable to be sold for a profit then it should just be abandoned as economically unviable.This would be far more in keeping with the principles Thatcher promoted.

Did you watch the Dick Cheney video? Or are you criticizing me from ignorance? Again, another person who REFUSES to view things from the victims POV.Not a single sympathethitc word for many of the victims she has caused throughout the world. Not a single thought or retrospective on the horror to the lives she cuased by supporting Saudi Arabia, Pinochet, and Saddamm Hussein.Not one word Rhavin? But alas, many, many words for my 'frothing"?Yeah, I'll certainly agree my frothing doesn't help them much, but it is surely better than fully disregarding the victims.Though I appreciate your thoughtful words, Rhavin, if you really want to effectively reach me Rhavin, you need to reach me through the victim's POV.

I have so far avoided such a situation, and plan to do so in the future.But if I was obliged to do so, I would think it my duty to weigh, to judge, and to listen. What made Thatcher different from all other major British politicians that I can think of is that she was a fanatical ideologue who genuinely despised anyone who dared suggest that maybe she wasn't doing exactly the right thing. One is used to this from the American right, but to have a loony like that as a British Prime Minister was disturbing.

The video is immaterial, dronester. What was uncalled for was the accusation of sociopathy, particularly while in the very same post you cheer a human death. The victim's POV is the same, dronester. That's what you don't understand. You feel compassion selectively. It is sad when any person dies. Every person has friends and family who care about them, every person has hoes and dreams and memories and thoughts and feelings, and it's sad when anyone is made to suffer or dies. It's sad and reprehensible when that suffering and death is caused by another person, and it's still sad when it's caused by unavoidable natural phenomenon. When I say how sad it is that Thatcher is dead, I am also saying how sad it is that anyone ever has died or suffered, for exactly the same reasons.

I've been critical of Reagan. I probably haven't commented on Thatcher, because that's not where I live and vote.Reagan's election was a reaction to the incompetence of Carter. He (Carter) was good on policy decision, but a failure at using the president's bully pulpit. In the 1976 presidential campaign, I was asking "Jimmy who?" I'm still asking. This was a terrible choice for candidate. We cannot blame everything on Reagan without looking to the failures that resulted in Reagan being elected.I'm more distant from UK politics. As I saw it, Thatcher's election was a reaction to the excesses of the left (the Labor party). At least some of the blame should be assigned to Labor.

It seems I don't have to try, but no, I realise I'm dealing with an adolescent so I'm mostly ignoring your poor behaviour.

It's always fine to say RIP. And if you privately take that to stand for "Rot In Perdition", who is going to object?

Incredible...Somehow we cannot hold Reagan totally responsible for his own actions, because he should have been prevented him from being elected? Is that really any kind of argument?

Well, that is incredible.Where did I say that we cannot hold Reagan responsible for his own actions?

Here again is what I said: In response to this: To which you respond: Reagan is completely responsible for his own actions. Surely you can see the attempt to say otherwise in your words quoted above. You deflect blame Reagan, at least in part, because Jimmy Carter was a bad candidate. That's not holding Reagan responsible for his own actions.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Don't be silly, since the video comment was the point from which you criticised me, it's by default, material. That's simply ridiculous.Emotions can't always be forced. Would you tell a holocaust surviver when Hitler died that they HAVE to feel sad? Puhlease. One: You bet your bottom dollar I do. Virtually everyone does. So do you. Is there any one on the forum who believes otherwise? Anybody? Bueller? . . . Bueller? . . . Bueller?Second: Every human life is not equal. To believe otherwise is delusional/childish. To waste emotion, money, or energy on those who make the world more cruel takes away finite emotion, finite money, and finite energy from those that do matter.E.g. If there is a finite amount of money to reform a rapist or to feed a child from starvation, I choose the later. So do you, so stop being silly. Freudian slip? Okay, prove it. Show me some tangible way that you REALLY feel sad about EVERY person who died from Thatcher's actions. Find the names of every child that has died a horrible death because of the foreign policies of Thatcher. Describe to me EACH of their sad demise. Was it by bullet, bomb, chemical, nutrition, etc. How long did they suffer before they died? Did the parents see them die? Describe to me how sad the friends and family are because of the actions caused by Thatcher. Then go on to describe the people who are still living with lifelong physical and mental injuries brought about by actions of Thatcher. Perhaps from Thatcher selling the Suadi's small arms weapons, or from chemical technology Thatcher sold to Saddam to gas the Kurds. Tell me how EACH of the victims of Pinochet live with their horrible memories from the actions of Thatcher.When you do this, I will then know you were not being a hypocrit about being sad when EVERY person dies from Thatcher's policies.Edited by dronester, : former>later, yikes!

Wow, from my long postS of factS and exampleS, THIS is what you focused on? THIS pettiness is what you bothered to contest about?Incredible.

I appreciate your reply nwr, but as we are now in a interconnected global community, we should be more interested in what our 'brother' does in another part of the world, especially when we are supporting it.This should be the greatest lesson of 9/11, although I fear the media and government has successfully substituted actual lessons learned with fear and propaganda.