I don't believe in God, I believe in Gravity

Belief has little to do with whether or not something is real.As I have explained to you over and over and over and over again, you can use the scientific method to determine whether or not some described God or god is likely real but that applies only to that particular God or god and says nothing about whether there is a GOD or not.

That is because I, at least, am honest.

You are of course free to hold that belief.

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Nope to all of that.I believe the supernatural can and does have an effect on the natural world but that I see no way that effect could be distinguished from a natural effect or directly attributable to a supernatural intervention.My definition of GOD is that which created all that is, seen and unseen.We can examine natural things but how could we determine a natural event originated from some supernatural intervention?

You might believe it was supernatural but if you are honest you'd need to put it into the "Unexplained" folder. Yes, as I have said repeatedly we can say "that is not supernatural".We might believe something is the result if supernatural intervention, even believe it very strongly, but I can see no way we could ever say "that was supernatural".

Well not exactly. We have positive evidence that that amount of Bordeaux can't be produced naturally by any means we know now. I have no problem with you believing that. I find it odd that you find my position odd too.

Yawn.Of course not nor have I ever suggested that.However "God did it" is content free. Even if true we know no more than if we said "I have no idea how that happened."As long as I'm alive and just human, I see no way to ever show that something really is supernatural. I might believe something is supernatural, even believe very strongly that something is supernatural but if pressed and honest I would have to stick it in the "Unexplained" folder.

Too funny.I never said that GOD is incapable of anything. I said as a human I see no way WE are capable of detecting the supernatural. We might believe we did but I see no way to verify or detect the supernatural. Yes we do, don't we. Do you think UG the cave man said much the same about the fire from the sky?

Still just silly.The fact is he hasn't created us (or some of us) in a way that would allow us to detect the supernatural.I stand by my belief that only a fool, a charlatan or a con-man would think the scientific method would be of any value or worth in examining the Super Natural.And in your sophomoric Great Lakes example I'm pretty sure that fools, con-men and charlatans would attribute that to the supernatural. But that as I have said is absolutely meaningless and adds absolutely no knowledge.

I would say it is absolutely meaningless because "God did it" and "Blue Bubble did it" and "My Little Pony did it" all have the exact same value. Not one of them tells us how it happened.I established that he hasn't created us (or some of us) in a way that would allow us to detect the supernatural based on the fact that no one has ever been able to show a repeatable testable way to detect the supernatural.And you're right. in addition to fools, con-men and charlatans, idiots, the deluded, wishful thinkers, infants and the willfully ignorant might also claim god did it.

Learn to read.If someone says that they believe something was the result supernatural I have no issue, if they say something was the result of supernatural I just laugh at them.Personal belief is fine. If you want to say you believe your Great Lakes scenario is the result of the supernatural, then that's fine. You are free to believe most anything.If you want to say that your Great Lakes scenario is evidence of the supernatural then I would just laugh at you.

Learn to read.You can observe your Great Lakes of wine. That would be natural if unusual.How do you observe anything supernatural?I would say "Wow, that's a surprise. Let's see if we can figure it out and meanwhile, put it in the unexplained folder."Saying "That's evidence of the supernatural" just seems a total cop out and just content free word salad, no different than saying trolls did it.

You keep saying stuff that just makes no sense what so ever. How do you detect "supernatural"? You keep saying silly stuff like the two quotes above.How do you test the "supernatural"?You can test the wine, you can claim that you do not know anyway it could have happened, but that's it.

Just like the fundies you keep repeating your unsupported assertions.I asked: and you replied:"In the same way you detect other forces which have an effect on the physical world. By observation of the physical world, and reasoning from those observations. How do you think we detect gravity, other than by observing its effects and reasoning from observation?"But in your example of the Great Lakes of wine we do not observe like we do with gravity.In the case of gravity we repeat observation and perform test to verify our hypothesis.That is not the case in your example.And so I repeat yet again.I know of no way to test the supper natural and so far no one has presented such a method.