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Author Topic:   I don't believe in God, I believe in Gravity
NoNukes
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Message 11 of 693 (709508)
10-27-2013 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by ringo
10-26-2013 12:24 PM


I expect that the writers of Genesis understood the effects of gravity about as well as I do.
Your expectation is almost certainly wrong. The writers of Genesis, and essentially everyone else up until Isaac Newton's time did not think of gravity as being a universal attraction wherein everything attracts everything else. Almost certainly those writers did not understand that the sun and moon were attracted to the earth by gravity, and almost certainly you do understand that.
Yes, they understood that objects on earth when raised to a height tended to return to the lowest point possible. But could they understand that exactly the same phenomenon explains the earth staying in orbit above the earth? Surely not. I'm sure you can do better than that.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 68 of 693 (709775)
10-29-2013 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by ringo
10-29-2013 1:35 PM


An effect is that apples fall on your head.
Your statement was about "the effects" and not "one" or "an" effect. If in fact, you know that an effect of gravity is that the earth orbits the sun, and the writers of Genesis are unaware of that effect, then your expectation that "the writers of Genesis understood the effects of gravity about as well as I do [ringo does]" was wrong.
I agree that it is a valid point that you don't routinely talk about gravity, and that we can expect that the writers of Genesis acted similarly. But the counter to that point is that you usually aren't writing about the creation of the universe, and the sun and the moon as the writers do in Genesis.
I could imagine being at a baseball game with Sean Caroll, Einstein and Cavediver and not bringing up the subject of gravity (well maybe after the second dirty glare from one of them), but I certainly don't imagine continuing to avoid the subject if we actually stated talking about the origin of the universe.
I cannot believe I am actually trying to prove against someone's own efforts that the someone is not an idiot.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 69 of 693 (709779)
10-30-2013 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by greentwiga
10-29-2013 7:25 PM


Still, the facts in Genesis 2,3,4 are accurate.
All facts are accurate including those few that appear in a Sponge Bob cartoon. So yeah, I'll grant you your tautology.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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