I don't believe in God, I believe in Gravity

Thankfully, Genesis doesnt start like this...for if it did i would debunk it as zealously as critics do now!
In the beginning was human wisdom and that wisdom sought to explain (thus creating) everything now seen and unseen, known and unknown.

What have we "learned" in regards to modern psychology that refute the inherent selfishness of man, for example?Is the human condition portrayed any different from the human condition as we now understand it?

Yes and no. I am going to use the facts that I know and weigh them against the stories I read and study....but I also use faith to ascertain ideas for which no clear facts refute---the existence and presence of God, for example.You would probably use logical consistency and thus your faith would be in science and the Bible would be reduced to mere literature. (I assume that you seek concrete affirmation vs belief)I choose to believe what the book teaches...in part because I feel and believe that I was chosen by the Spirit of the book.Yes, I have no facts apart from my experience. Yes, I would prefer not to ascribe to a belief in science alone.

I would say that they are assessed by the Spirit of God and also through the word of God.

so very you, Straggler. I appreciate your honesty---it lets me know just where you stand. So as far as cause goes...you never seemed to like the idea of an uncaused first cause. How would there ever be evidence, though? The evidence--if any---would appear after the cause itself.Im beginning to lean towards the idea that humans themselves are a sort of evidence for what they stand for and what they believe in. Does that make sense?Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

This is what we have been trying to tell you for years! Belief is not bound by logic and is often unreasonable.

To me, belief is only illogical in the context of the modern secular world view. I don't consider it unreasonable at all to believe in a Creator. I don't consider it unreasonable to believe that this Creator knows each of us individually and collectively better than we know ourselves or even could know ourselves. What frightens many secular minds is not the idea of God...it is the idea that were they to accept it, they would lose control over themselves.

Granted. I feel, however, that the potential for humanity to destroy itself is even more dangerous. Some of us cherish the right of humanity to chart its own destiny. I prefer to believe in a leader bigger than we are, however. A leader who desires our best outcome. Unreasonable?

They asked Jesus what "truth" was. Its only illogical if belief in Jesus is illogical according to your determination.

The type of evidence that you demand cannot be provided by humans.This is between you and Him.

If we empirically detected it, we would still have to prove that it was once supernatural. The main difference between you and jar is that you insist that there need be answers, and he continues to ask questions. No?

perhaps you are trying to frame an absolute...the same thing that believers are criticized for doing.

Are you presupposing that---lacking evidence---the supernatural does not exist? In other words, are you relying on science to chart your belief?

Would you be willing to accept subjective evidence or would you forever question it...seeing as how it is not objective

I accept God due to subjective evidence...experiences that I myself have had which touched me inb a deep way and which could not be satisfactorily falsified. They are not objective...so I cant expect you to accept them