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Topic: I don't believe in God, I believe in Gravity
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faitheist
Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: 09-19-2013
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Message 1 of 693 (709418)
10-25-2013 7:35 PM
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There is no mention of Gravity in Genesis or, as far as I know, the rest of the Bible. Without gravity, there would be no sun, no solar system, no Earth, no Adam and Eve ... there would be nothing. And yet there is no mention of the most fundamental force of the Universe. I think if there were a passage saying "In the beginning, God said Let there be Gravity" I'd be more likely to believe the rest of the story ... which I don't. I believe in Gravity, not God. Any thoughts?
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faitheist
Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: 09-19-2013
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Message 12 of 693 (709510)
10-27-2013 9:09 PM
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I always thought the bible was the word of god. If so, it's irrelevant what the scribes who wrote the texts knew about gravity. Gravity is the fundamental force of the universe. Without gravity, NOTHING of what we know the world to be would exist. No world, no land, no seas, no people, no animals ... nothing. So, again, my question is, since gravity is the fundamental force of the universe as we know it, why isn't it mentioned as the very first thing god created?
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faitheist
Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: 09-19-2013
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Message 21 of 693 (709620)
10-28-2013 6:54 PM
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I'm confused. Is the bible the word of god? This is what I keep hearing. If it is, then god seems to have created our universe in an odd way. He seems to have created our planet before he created the sun, which as we now know would not work. If the bible is not the word of god, but the words of mortals, why does anyone believe the story of creation? It doesn't make any sense to us now, in this day and age. It may have fooled people way back when, but it shouldn't fool anyone today. But, as I say, if the bible began with "In the beginning, God created Gravity (and -- what the heck, the other three fundamental forces as well), I'd be much more inclined to read on and believe. As it is, it's just so much hocus pocus to my brain.
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faitheist
Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: 09-19-2013
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Message 24 of 693 (709624)
10-28-2013 7:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 22 by nwr 10-28-2013 7:21 PM
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Why? If god is all powerful, all knowing, why wouldn't he have said (or somehow instructed the scribes to write) that there are fundamental forces that hold the universe together and that's what came first. Why tell (or instruct the scribes to write) an illogical, nonsensical story about creating first the planet, then the sun (at least I guess what is meant by 'light') and then the rotation of the planet (at least I guess that is what is meant by day and night). The next bit is a total mystery, something about separating the waters above and below. I just doesn't make any sense ... unless of course god made humans to be a little naive and unintelligent and not able to think for themselves ... but forgot that he also made them capable of eventually figuring things out ... like gravity, the weak and strong forces and electromagnetism. We have done that. This is just one tiny aspect of the problem I have believing all this stuff. Like most non-believers, it's not that I don't want to believe in eternal life in a gold studded heaven surrounded by my loved ones and Jesus. I simply can't.
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faitheist
Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: 09-19-2013
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Message 25 of 693 (709625)
10-28-2013 7:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 23 by frako 10-28-2013 7:40 PM
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Well how about "In the beginning, God created the forces which hold the universe together" and take it from there?
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faitheist
Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: 09-19-2013
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Message 30 of 693 (709635)
10-28-2013 9:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 29 by nwr 10-28-2013 8:45 PM
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Not in my world, nwr. If I can't believe what's written in the very first sentence -- which is the case -- why would I look for other problems? I just did a bit of online research and it seems that (according to some creationists) Adam himself wrote the story of Genesis. And we're supposed to believe it!
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faitheist
Junior Member (Idle past 3497 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: 09-19-2013
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Message 33 of 693 (709651)
10-29-2013 8:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 32 by Dogmafood 10-29-2013 8:20 AM
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Re: Authors Perspective
I keep hearing that. So could you post a list of the bits that should be taken literally, who wrote the list, and whether he or she should be taken literally. Otherwise, people like me are inclined to see all of it as ritual and symbolism, including god.
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