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Author Topic:   What Does Critical Thinking Mean To You?
New Cat's Eye
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Message 18 of 339 (721856)
03-12-2014 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Taq
03-12-2014 4:07 PM


Critical thinking is what leads to faith in the right things.
How do you determine what the right things are?
By whether or not she has faith in it, obviously.

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Message 54 of 339 (721976)
03-14-2014 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Faith
03-14-2014 4:58 AM


But I was perfectly functional in my normal life.
Its still possible for you to function normally even if you have a psychosis.

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Message 60 of 339 (721986)
03-14-2014 11:50 AM
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03-14-2014 11:31 AM


Re: Psychosis and Hallucinations
Oh, man, I've tripped my balls off!
One time, I was sober, I was woken up in the middle of the night by some deep raspy voice speaking some weird foreign language. After I woke up, I could still hear the voice. It was coming from right above me. I sounded like some demonic spell or something. Like an incantation. Scared the shit out of me.
I sat up in bed and looked around for the source, but couldn't find one. It eventually stopped talking and that was that.
Like I said, I've tripped plenty of times. I know hallucinations that are happening "in my head". And this voice was convincingly not in my head. I heard it from outside with my ears (as opposed to that voice we all hear in our heads).
I have no idea what the fuck that was.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 65 of 339 (721991)
03-14-2014 12:16 PM
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03-14-2014 12:06 PM


No, you're talking about a psychotic disorder. Normal everyday people can suffer from a psychosis for a variety of reasons. It doesn't mean you cannot function normally.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 67 of 339 (721994)
03-14-2014 12:23 PM
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03-14-2014 12:16 PM


Re: Psychosis and Hallucinations
So I simply willfully thought my prayer/plea. I then woke up. I wont say that Jesus helped me, but I wont deny it either.
After this, therefore because of this

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 78 of 339 (722006)
03-14-2014 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Faith
03-14-2014 12:33 PM


Its a broad term, it covers a lot of different stuff. Not all of them make you an abnormal person.
quote:
Normal states[edit]
Brief hallucinations are not uncommon in those without any psychiatric disease. Causes or triggers include[9]
Falling asleep and waking: hypnagogic and hypnopompic hallucinations, which are entirely normal[11]
Bereavement, in which hallucinations of a deceased loved one are common[9]
Severe sleep deprivation[12][13][14]
Sensory deprivation and sensory impairment
caffeine intoxication
extremely stressful event
Subtypes[edit]
Subtypes of psychosis include:
Menstrual psychosis, including circa-mensual (approximately monthly) periodicity, in rhythm with the menstrual cycle.
Postpartum psychosis, occurring recently after childbirth
Monothematic delusions
Myxedematous psychosis
Occupational psychosis
Stimulant psychosis
Tardive psychosis
Shared psychosis
Cycloid psychosis
Cycloid psychosis[edit]
Cycloid psychosis is psychosis that progresses from normal to full-blown usually within a few hours, not related to drug intake or brain injury.[15] In addition, diagnostic criteria include at least four of the following symptoms:[15]
Confusion
Mood-incongruent delusions
Hallucinations
Pan-anxiety, a severe anxiety not bound to particular situations or circumstances
Happiness or ecstasy of high degree
Motility disturbances of akinetic or hyperkinetic type
Concern with death
Mood swings to some degree, but less than what is needed for diagnosis of an affective disorders
Cycloid psychosis occurs in people of generally 15—50 years of age.[15]
Medical conditions[edit]
A very large number of medical conditions can cause psychosis, sometimes called secondary psychosis.[9] Examples include:
disorders causing delirium (toxic psychosis), in which consciousness is disturbed
neurodevelopmental disorders and chromosomal abnormalities, including velocardiofacial syndrome
neurodegenerative disorders, such as Alzheimer's disease,[16] dementia with Lewy bodies,[17] and Parkinson's disease[18]
focal neurological disease, such as stroke, brain tumors,[19] multiple sclerosis,[20] and some forms of epilepsy
malignancy (typically via masses in the brain, paraneoplastic syndromes, or drugs used to treat cancer)
infectious and postinfectious syndromes, including infections causing delirium, viral encephalitis, HIV,[21] malaria,[22] Lyme disease,[23][24][25] syphilis[26][27]
endocrine disease, such as hypothyroidism, hyperthyroidism, adrenal failure, Cushing's syndrome, hypoparathyroidism and hyperparathyroidism; sex hormones also affect psychotic symptoms and sometimes childbirth can provoke psychosis, termed puerperal psychosis
inborn errors of metabolism, such as Succinic semialdehyde dehydrogenase deficiency, porphyria and metachromatic leukodystrophy[28][29][30]
nutritional deficiency, such as vitamin B12 deficiency[31][32]
other acquired metabolic disorders, including electrolyte disturbances such as hypocalcemia,[33] hypernatremia,[34] hyponatremia,[35] hypokalemia,[36] hypomagnesemia,[37] hypermagnesemia,[38] hypercalcemia,[39] and hypophosphatemia,[40] but also hypoglycemia,[41] hypoxia, and failure of the liver or kidneys
autoimmune and related disorders, such as systemic lupus erythematosus (lupus, SLE),[42] sarcoidosis,[43] Hashimoto's encephalopathy,[44][45][46] and anti-NMDA-receptor encephalitis[47]
poisoning, by therapeutic drugs (see below), recreational drugs (see below), and a range of plants, fungi, metals, organic compounds, and a few animal toxins[9]
some sleep disorders, including hallucinations in narcolepsy (in which REM sleep intrudes into wakefulness)[9]
Psychosis can even be caused by familiar ailments such as flu[48][49] or mumps.[50]
Psychosis - Wikipedia

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Message 165 of 339 (722291)
03-19-2014 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by ringo
03-19-2014 11:45 AM


Re: Rejection with no evidence for rejection
In such cases,
you're not being critical of your thoughts.
That's when you're not thinking critically.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 168 of 339 (722329)
03-20-2014 12:06 PM
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03-20-2014 11:58 AM


Re: Rejection with no evidence for rejection
You can be as critical as you like. Critical thinking is not a magic wand that applies to every situation.
Yes, of course. There's plenty of decisions I make that don't involve critical thinking.
The question here is, when are you employing it and when are you not.
You're not employing it when you are not being critical of your thoughts.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 170 of 339 (722331)
03-20-2014 12:19 PM
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03-20-2014 12:12 PM


Re: Rejection with no evidence for rejection
I don't think making a decision in the absence of evidence is thinking critically at all.
If you don't have the means to be critical of you thoughts, then there's no reason to try to still make it out as being critical thinking.
It just isn't, its no biggie.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 172 of 339 (722336)
03-20-2014 12:35 PM
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03-20-2014 12:30 PM


Re: Rejection with no evidence for rejection
I think if you've considered all of the available evidence and looked into ways of obtaining more evidence, then there's no way to distinguish that methodology from critical thinking.
If there's evidence available then it ain't an absence of evidence.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 174 of 339 (722343)
03-20-2014 12:52 PM
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03-20-2014 12:42 PM


Huh?
Catholic Scientist writes:
If there's evidence available then it ain't an absence of evidence.
It is if all the available evidence is none.

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Message 176 of 339 (722348)
03-20-2014 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by ringo
03-20-2014 12:57 PM


Re: Huh?
Take two possibilities, unicorns and hippos. You look for evidence for both. You find evidence for hippos and no evidence for unicorns. You conclude that hippos exist, based on the evidence. You conclude that unicorns don't exist, based on the evidence. How is one process critical thinking and the other not?
Being critical of your thoughts would make you realize that being unable to find evidence for unicorns shouldn't make you conclude that they don't exist and that you should reserve your judgement until you can find actual evidence of absence.
Like, every corner of the planet was observed to contain no unicorns, so therefore they must not be here. Not, welp, I took a glance and didn't see any so they must not exist.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 179 of 339 (722367)
03-20-2014 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by ringo
03-20-2014 1:11 PM


Re: Huh?
Again, my original point was that sometimes you have to make a decision now based on the evidence you have now.
Can you give me an example? Why not just not decide?
The critical thinking process is the same even if you don't have the leisure to carry it through as far as you might like. It should always be an ongoing process. There is no point at which it magically becomes "critical thinking".
I think I get what you're saying, in that you can still be being critical of your thoughts even why making decision based on insufficient evidence, but I still think that if you're not waiting until you have sufficient evidence, for whatever reason that you have to decide, then you're not really thinking critically. You can't, you don't have the time to. You have to decide.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 188 of 339 (722494)
03-21-2014 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Dr Adequate
03-21-2014 12:09 PM


Re: Huh?
But in what way should you reserve your judgement?
By not committing to an answer.
Are there mountain lions in Illinois?
If you don't know then that is the answer.

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Message 191 of 339 (722513)
03-21-2014 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Dr Adequate
03-21-2014 4:57 PM


Re: Huh?
So ... if asked whether unicorns exist, you consider that you should and would answer "I don't know"?
No, I know that unicorns don't exist. We've looked everywhere they could possibly live and they just aren't out there. We have evidence of their absence.

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