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Author Topic:   Is faith the answer to cognitive dissonance?
saab93f
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Message 171 of 227 (722664)
03-24-2014 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by Faith
03-24-2014 4:57 AM


Re: Why Not?
All stories I've read about Joseph Smith's finding of the golden tablets have him finding them alone. You produce a document about eleven witnesses but we know they weren't there at the time of the finding and if you just read that document it's highly doubtful that any of them truly saw the tablets anyway.
I honestly believe (pun intended) that Mormonism alongside scientology is the worst religiosity has to offer. OTOH it is like saying that gonorrhea is the best of the STDs (thanks Jeremy Clarkson).
That aside you will not accept the eleven witnesses to vouch for Joseph Smith but will accept the Mark, Matthew, Luke and John even though they were not eyewutnesses and chronologically even further apart than the Smiths witnesses. Double standards?
How about Moses writing about Genesis when even in the context of the mythology millenia had passed from the events he "told" about. Moses also wrote about his own funeral

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saab93f
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Message 180 of 227 (722682)
03-24-2014 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by Faith
03-24-2014 7:55 AM


Re: Why Not?
Oh but they were eyewitnesses, all the writers of the New Testament except Luke and Paul were eyewitnesses of the events of Jesus' life, and Luke had contacts among all the eyewitnesses and had studied all their claims, and Paul was illuminated by Jesus Himself from heaven.
Nobody says Moses literally scribed all of the Torah, only that the books ascribed to him covered his time, and he probably did write most of it, and we assume he had either oral or written records to work from.
You have a funny way of describing what an eyewitness is. First of all, eyewitness testimonies are the most unreliable testimonies of just about them all.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/...cle/do-the-eyes-have-it
By your standards I could be a reliable witness to the life and actions of...Harry Reid...since Ive lived at the same time and Ive read and heard of him though Ive never met the person.

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saab93f
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Message 186 of 227 (722689)
03-24-2014 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by Faith
03-24-2014 9:32 AM


Re: Why Not?
You do have double standards. There is reliable historical evidence which at best casts a serious doubt to whether the Jews had spent time in Egypt in slavery and at least to the veracity of Exodus. There is not a single record of the Jews fleeing by the millions and wandering for 40 years in Sinai. Please do not start on Lennart Mller...
It has been proven without any doubt that the Bible tells untruths (ie. lies). Can a book on morality be given any value as such (as a compilation of myths and stories is another case) if it includes distortions and blatant lies in addition to horrific cases of unmorality?

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