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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Finally here and there a trickle of news about how Christians are persecuted all over the world, especially in the Muslim world, is starting to come out. You probably can't understand how astonishing this is to me, but I've known about these enormities for years through Christian sources and hardly ever see any of it reported in the major media.
So here's a story about a Sudanese woman who is eight months pregnant and scheduled for execution because she refuses to recant her Christian faith. The Inquisition Muslim style KHARTOUM, Sudan (AP) A pregnant Sudanese woman who married a Christian man was sentenced to death Thursday after she refused to recant her Christian faith, her lawyer said. Even the Huffington Post had a story about it recently I don't know if this should even be in Proposed Topics, maybe it should just be a Coffee House topic.
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Thread copied here from the Persecuted Christians finally getting noticed thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Here's a blog post by Jerry Coyne, on the same topic: Jerry Coyne is often described as a "militant atheist".
This is really a human rights issue, so much broader than one of persecution of Christians.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Good article.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
I don't want to rain on what is a genuine human rights problem but the examples don't seem to be "true Christians" by your standards.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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I don't want to rain on what is a genuine human rights problem but the examples don't seem to be "true Christians" by your standards. They may not be, strictly speaking, but if they are being persecuted because they are considered by their persecutors to be Christians that makes them Christians. Like Hitler's identifying as Jews anybody with even a small percentage of Jewish blood. What does it matter whether the Jewish community would accept them as Jewish or not, I'd say they are Jewish if they are being persecuted as Jewish. What's unusual in this case is that they are identified as Christians, that's what is rarely found in the media. You may hear for instance of "ethnic" conflicts, but when you get into the facts of the situations it's the usual outbreak of Muslim violence against a Christian community. Also, although some who call themselves Christians may not really be saved, they ARE culturally Christians and that's important too. ABE: P.S. and they MAY be saved, I'm not saying they aren't. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Finally here and there a trickle of news about how Christians are persecuted all over the world, especially in the Muslim world, is starting to come out. You probably can't understand how astonishing this is to me, but I've known about these enormities for years through Christian sources and hardly ever see any of it reported in the major media. Yeah. This woman is going to be put to death for being a Christian, so the big story is how Faith has been persecuted by the "major media". Of course, if Faith ever looked at the "major media", she'd notice how they keep reporting on this sort of thing, but as she doesn't, as in fact she just looks at her sort of Christian whining about how the things they learn about via the media are never reported there, she can whine about how she is being martyred. Meanwhile, a woman is facing death for not renouncing her faith --- as we know because the media reported it. Is there anything we can do about it other than hailing Faith as a True Christian Martyr who has been crucified by the Evil Media? She didn't mention this in her post, she was too busy castigating the media that told her about it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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You are certainly a master at finding the most evil vicious construction to put on anything I do. Perhaps EvC should set up a special medal for you to acknowledge this great accomplishment.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Why, thank you for your kind and Christian words.
In the meantime I asked a question. IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN DO ABOUT THIS? I asked this in my first post, but instead of answering this, you have chosen to rant about how I'm evil. Instead of actually giving a damn about this woman who is going to be put to death for her free speech and freedom of religion by actual evil people, you want to talk about ... me, I who have never killed anyone. Apparently she's just a hook on which you can hang your complaints about me and the media. Say, without looking it up, can you even remember her name? I will ask you again, is there something I can do? Is someone working on a petition to be delivered to the Sudanese ambassador to the US? What can I do? Can I do anything? But that is apparently not what concerns you. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Probably worth pointing out that this is why we don't allow religions to have power in law and instead, why it is subject to the law. Despite their whining that they shouldn't be.
This story makes me feel physically sick and has bothered me for days. She's pregnant too.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm. |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You're right I wasn't focused on that, I had seen the story right before I posted on it, and yes I assume there are channels for joining the voices who are condemning this. I would expect a petition to come around to me soon and if so I can pass it on. In this case even our government and other governments have objected, so I didn't feel the woman was being abandoned. If I find out what you can do I'll let you know, but you may in fact be able to beat me to it.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
A petition may be found here. But does the Sudanese government even read petitions organized by change.org? How is it to be delivered to them? I signed it anyway, but if anyone knows of anything better calculated to draw their attention, please let us know.
In the meantime, I have written directly to the Sudanese embassy to the US: their website is here. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You can bug our elected representatives. They may have more clout than a petition circulated by private citizens.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Good point. For those who don't know, here is a website that tells you who your congressman/woman is. I just wrote to mine.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm glad you are concerned about this.
How about also protesting the girls kidnapped from school in Nigeria. They're Christians too or most of them and their kidnappers murderous Muslim fanatics. As American military and intelligence specialists joined the hunt for Nigeria’s missing schoolgirls, U.S. officials expressed frustration Thursday with the country’s inability to act on fresh intelligence about the Boko Haram extremists who took more than 200 teenagers captive and threatened to I think they finally released the pastor who had been imprisoned in Iran a few years ago but there are always more you could protest. Google
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