Roy Moore, Alabama Chief Idiot back in the news yet again.

Yup, as I noted the majority of the Probate Judges of Alabama understood Roy is just an idiot and bigot and so ignored his assertion that they did not have to issue same sex marriage licenses and more and more were issuing them every day.Since once again the intelligent and educated folk in Alabama realized he was just a silly twit he had to show that the Christian Cult of Ignorance will simply oppress when they fail to persuade.Roy is a great example of why we need to fear any Biblical Christian in a position of power and authority.

does not mean we need to be ignorant intolerant misogynic bigots. Utter bullshit Faith. Marriage, even in the Bible, was a secular contract. It was purely financial, a matter or power and wealth and social standing.Marriage today just as in the Bible is a social, secular contract.It really is that simple. It has jack shit to do with sex, sexual orientation, sexual practices and everything to do with rights and inheritance and responsibility.No God need apply or is needed.

But there has always been a legal criteria. The Jews had laws governing marriage. Why do you keep posting stuff that is so obviously just bullshit that it destroys any chance of anyone taking anything you say seriously. So you post yet more utterly stupid lies as a response?Sheesh Faith.Not just that but is there ANY reason that any nations should do anything more than chuckle about a judgement from the god you try to market?

Sure Faith.You bought wives just like any other property (and sold kids the same way). One party set a price and the negotiations started. How man cattle or sheep or goats for that little doe eyed piece.The laws governed marriage between tribes and what to do with an excess widow. They established treaties and alliances, marriages for political or economic purposes.This remained true throughout the Biblical fables.Gotta ask yet again Faith, have you ever read the Bible?One way is see a woman prisoner you want and take her. Find the guy with an excess of daughters to get rid of and water his flock. Rape some virgin and then pay off her dad. Buy some property and get a wife thrown in as part of the deal. I can keep going just about all day but not every single example shown is a matter of contract.Shall I keep going?Have you read Gen. 29:15-30, 1 Sam. 18:27, Hosea 1:1-3, 1 Kings 11:1-3, Esther 2:3-4, 1 Sam. 18:27?They are all examples of "Biblical Marriage". Edited by jar, : left out a closing quote markEdited by jar, : appalin spallin (mine not the Bibles)

Sorry Faith but they are examples of the State (several states) sanctioning marriage. There was no other government at the time. You want examples of government sanctioning marriage, well the Bible was that basis, in fact many of those examples com from "the Laws & the Prophets".Did you not see the references to Deuteronomy and Judges and Kings in what I posted?Of course, we are certainly wiser and far more moral today than Jesus or any of the Prophets or even the God(s) of the Bible and we simply don't condone Biblical Marriage practices.

No matter how many times you repeat falsehoods they are still not true.And Faith, that also has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread which is about the utter stupidity of Judge Roy Moore.

But if you had ever actually read the Bible Faith you would know that Biblical Marriage was never for the protection of women or even stability and security for the raising of children. You are just making shit up again as I pointed out in Message 218.Since you obviously didn't read it that time I will gladly repeat it again.

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Sure Faith.

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You bought wives just like any other property (and sold kids the same way). One party set a price and the negotiations started. How man cattle or sheep or goats for that little doe eyed piece.

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The laws governed marriage between tribes and what to do with an excess widow. They established treaties and alliances, marriages for political or economic purposes.

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This remained true throughout the Biblical fables.

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Gotta ask yet again Faith, have you ever read the Bible?

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One way is see a woman prisoner you want and take her.

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Deut writes:

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11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;

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12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;

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13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.

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Find the guy with an excess of daughters to get rid of and water his flock.

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Exodus writes:

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16 Now the priest of Midian had seven daughters: and they came and drew water, and filled the troughs to water their father's flock.

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17 And the shepherds came and drove them away: but Moses stood up and helped them, and watered their flock.

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18 And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day?

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19 And they said, An Egyptian delivered us out of the hand of the shepherds, and also drew water enough for us, and watered the flock.

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20 And he said unto his daughters, And where is he? why is it that ye have left the man? call him, that he may eat bread.

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21 And Moses was content to dwell with the man: and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter.

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Rape some virgin and then pay off her dad.

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Deut writes:

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28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

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29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

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Buy some property and get a wife thrown in as part of the deal.

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Ruth writes:

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5 Then said Boaz, What day thou buyest the field of the hand of Naomi, thou must buy it also of Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of the dead, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance.

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6 And the kinsman said, I cannot redeem it for myself, lest I mar mine own inheritance: redeem thou my right to thyself; for I cannot redeem it.

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7 Now this was the manner in former time in Israel concerning redeeming and concerning changing, for to confirm all things; a man plucked off his shoe, and gave it to his neighbour: and this was a testimony in Israel.

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8 Therefore the kinsman said unto Boaz, Buy it for thee. So he drew off his shoe.

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9 And Boaz said unto the elders, and unto all the people, Ye are witnesses this day, that I have bought all that was Elimelech's, and all that was Chilion's and Mahlon's, of the hand of Naomi.

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10 Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Mahlon, have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: ye are witnesses this day.

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I can keep going just about all day but not every single example shown is a matter of contract.

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Shall I keep going?

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Have you read Gen. 29:15-30, 1 Sam. 18:27, Hosea 1:1-3, 1 Kings 11:1-3, Esther 2:3-4, 1 Sam. 18:27?

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They are all examples of "Biblical Marriage".

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In the Bible women and children were chattel, possessions, personal property that was not just real estate.

More utter misrepresentation from Faith.They are examples from the "Laws and the Prophets" Faith. They also show that protecting women and children were not part of Biblical Marriage and that women and children were not even seen as anything more than property, stuff to buy and sell. They describe "Biblical Marriage".Thank God we have become far more moral than any of the characters in the Bible and have moved beyond the horror called "Biblical Morality".But Faith, Roy Moore is still just a bigot and idiot with no respect for the US or Constitution.

Got it Faith.Getting sold as property offers women protection.Getting raped offers women protection.Pick a prisoner offers women protection.Some guy making a deal with a father to buy you offers women protection.Do you have any idea how your posts are making you look as much a bigot as Roy Moore?Biblical Marriage like Biblical Morality was and is horrific and thank God most folk today are far more moral than anyone found in the Bible stories.

Too funny Faith.I am not generalizing rather quoting what is in the "Law & the Prophets".Thank God we as a nation have moved beyond "Biblical Morality" and "Biblical Marriage".

Faith, when you say stuff as absurd as that you have to be either totally delusional, willfully ignorant or just plain lying.Marriage has constantly changed and changed based on era, culture and society. No "Biblical Marriage" practice as I outlined several times here in this thread would be acceptable in any western country today and most not for hundreds of years.It's been awhile since women were just chattle, property to be bought or sold, not yet long enough thoughIt's been a long time since the way to get a wife was to rape a virgin and then give her father 50 sheckels.It's been awhile since you bought property and a wife got thrown in.It's been awhile since to get a wife you slew 200 men and brought their foreskins to the King.It's been awhile since God said to take a wife from whoredom and knock her up.Having seven hundred wives and three hundred mistresses is not really acceptable anymore.It's not general practice to have district officers gather all the fair young virgins together and the one that pleases the King become Queen.For most of history marriage between different races was fine until Christianity decided it was wrong. Fortunately that madness was finally outlawed.Marriage has changed and to claim that "marriage did not change over the last two millennia at all, up until a little over half a century ago, when it started falling apart in the west under the onslaught of Cultural Marxism / Political Correctness" is at best utter ignorance but most likely just plain dishonesty.

The New Testament also provides for divorce and even Jesus agrees that divorce is allowed.Have you ever read the Bible Faith?Infidelity of any kind was grounds for divorce or even one partner being a non-believer.So not only has marriage changed a lot over the last 2000 years divorce really hasn't changed all that much.

Sheesh Faith.People who get divorced hate that divorce was necessary too.Also, it was marital infidelity that the Bible talks about and that is never defined.And if someone wanted to get a divorce all that was needed was for that spouse to claim they did not believe. How is that different than today's no fault divorce? The unbeliever was of course free to remarry, it was only the member of that chapter of Club Christian that might not be able to remarry.And when it comes to remarriage the Roman Catholic church decided that was not allowed. The Bible (as with most everything) is unclear about that. As Henry showed us though in Protestant Christianity divorce and remarriage is certainly possible.And finally, there have been far more non-Christian marriages during the last 2000 years than Christian ones and rules have changed even there.

Too funny. Yes Faith, marriage is just another contract unless you can provide evidence that it is not just another contract.