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Message 1069 of 1485 (709597)
10-28-2013 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1063 by New Cat's Eye
10-28-2013 1:00 PM


They re-defined the fine into being a tax so that it would become constitutional.
How is it not a tax?
Yeah, and assumes that the people are slaves to insurance companies and are too stupid to figure it out without Big Brother holding their hand.
Sorry, but paranoid conspiracy theories are not helping you.
In a for profit system there is obvious incentive for insurance companies and hospitals to increase their profits even if that means shutting the bottom 10% of wage earners out of the system. Those are just the facts. A for-profit system is not meant to provide universal coverage, nor affordable coverage. It is meant to maximize profits.
If Americans want to continue to pay twice what other countries pay per capita, and still not cover everyone, then the for-profit system is for them.
"Those governments over there can run their little countries so therefore our different government over here can run this huge country just as well"
Sorry, I'm not buying that.
Small countries? Japan pays half of what we do, and they have about 130 million residents, about half of what we do. I would hardly call that small. Every other 1st world nation has found a system that works, and that system is single payer.
No... Our. Government. Sucks.
Then. Make. It. Better.
That's not the same.
The ACA is healthcare reform.

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Message 1070 of 1485 (709598)
10-28-2013 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1068 by Dr Adequate
10-28-2013 2:50 PM


Ah yes, the doctrine of American Exceptionalism: that America is so uniquely incapable that if we tried to do what everyone else manages to do, we'd somehow fuck it up completely. If conservatives have only taught us one thing, and they have, it's that all true patriots believe passionately in our supreme national incompetence. In the words of our hallowed anthem, "Oh say, does the Star-Spangled Banner still flap o'er the land of the dumb and the home of the crap?" And is not our very national motto "Not As Good As Belgium"?
Conservatives run on a platform of making government not work. Go figure.

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Message 1073 of 1485 (709605)
10-28-2013 5:06 PM
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10-28-2013 5:01 PM


Whatever, its still a fine. People are still being forced to participate through threat of punishment.
Taxation is not punishment.
And non-profit hospitals do exist.
False. They still carry a profit from one quarter to the next. They often sink this money into lavish salaries and buildings.
But yeah, I think if we were dealing with a country that had half of our population, and they all lived in an area the size of Montana, then it would be easier to lower the cost of healthcare. Too, if you spread all those Japanese people out over 26 times the square miles (size of US vs. size of Japan), then I think their healthcare costs would go up.
You think?
The fact of the matter is that we pay WAY more than ANY OTHER 1st WORLD NATION. Period.
Single payer might be the best way to go, I dunno. I think there's too many factors involved to say that something that worked in another country will work here.
In which country has it not worked?
I'd rather just be left alone.
Then I would suggest moving out of a country that has 300 million other people.

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Message 1100 of 1485 (709759)
10-29-2013 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1088 by New Cat's Eye
10-29-2013 1:25 PM


But you've moved from company policy (32 hours = benefits) to a federally mandated policy. The resulting chopping of hours is, actually, due to the federal mandate and not company policy. So its right to blame that on Obamacare (and the dirty companies that would do that to their workers).
Do you have any data showing that there has been any significant movement of workers from full time to part time as a result of the ACA?
The data I have seen shows just the opposite:
"The report's most notable nugget is the change in part-time work. Over the last month the number of workers in part-time jobs for economic reasons--slack demand, cutbacks in hours--has remained stable. Over the last year, however, it has fallen by 681,000. Those part-timers also constitute a smaller share of all workers--5.5% in September compared to 6% a year earlier."
Tuesday's tepid brew of jobs data, delayed more than two weeks by the government shutdown, wasn't worth waiting for.
Part time jobs are going down while full time jobs are increasing. I think you are swallowing Republican lies without questioning them.

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Message 1105 of 1485 (709765)
10-29-2013 6:15 PM
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10-29-2013 6:03 PM


No. I was talking about friends of mine whose employers are telling them that they are going to be cutting their hours when the law goes into effect in January.
The mandate for employers does not go into effect until January 2015.
White House To Delay Obamacare's Employer Mandate Until 2015; Far-Reaching Implications For The Private Health Insurance Market
The national trend is that part time jobs are becoming less common while there is a rise in full time jobs.

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Message 1378 of 1485 (754261)
03-25-2015 5:44 PM
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03-25-2015 5:24 PM


Re: try actually learning Faith
Let me know when you all come to an agreement on which story you all support.
We support the story that Republicans are a bunch of hypocrits, and that story remains true. Somehow, Obama's possible birth in Kenya somehow meant he couldn't be president even though he was a US citizen by law, and even though he was born in the US. Cruz openly admits that he was not born in the US, and those same conservatives say that he can be president by law.
The words "hoisted" and "petard" come to mind.

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Message 1379 of 1485 (754262)
03-25-2015 5:45 PM
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03-25-2015 5:32 PM


Re: Kenyan birth continued
It's not hard to fake documentary evidence of many kinds. But the evidence that the Hawaiian evidence is faked is mostly in the very good evidence that Obama was born in Kenya.
Ted Cruz was born in Canada, and he is running for president. Conservatives don't seem to have a problem with it. How do you explain this?

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