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edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
A bit of rubble perhaps. Just not a nice tight contact.
If the rocks were plastic, you wouldn't have rubble.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's one of a stack of horizontally deposited layers. The tilt on the left obviously occurred after the stack was all laid down: see very straight slightly tilted contact line on layer above.
If there is actual folding or deformation, I would expect it to propagate into the upper layers. So would I and it did: but in this case it propagated only to the slight tilting of the layers immediately above the sag. That does show propagation, however. Apparently the stack was stable enough not to be more disturbed above that point. I'm sure I got the term "plastic" from a geology site. It means what I'm saying it means. Why can't you just leave well enough alone and cut the obsessional and obfuscating pedantry? And yeah, it's a road cut IN the Stratigraphic Column. More nitpicking pedantry.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Fine. No rubble, just a hole.
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edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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So would I and it did: but in this case it propagated only to the slight tilting of the layers immediately above the sag.
Which is a characteristic of draping or soft sediment compaction...
That does show propagation, however. Apparently the stack was stable enough not to be more disturbed above that point.
No, the whole section. This is not a forced fold.
I'm sure I got the term "plastic" from a geology site. It means what I'm saying it means. Why can't you just leave well enough alone and cut the obsessional and obfuscating pedantry?
Because it shows that you are not precise in your language and that causes confusion.
And yeah, it's a road cut IN the Stratigraphic Column. More nitpicking pedantry.
No, that's not what I wrote. YECs do not understand what the stratigraphic column is and it causes miscommunication. And if there is one thing we know about your threads, there is a lot of confusion.
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edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Fine. No rubble, just a hole.
Which is exactly what I said we do not see.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
YECs do not understand what the stratigraphic column is and it causes miscommunication. And if there is one thing we know about your threads, there is a lot of confusion. Google Images of the Stratigraphic Column as I understand it. Perhaps you are the one who is confused. Which is the usual case though you like to blame it on me. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Which is exactly what I said we do not see Perhaps you need your eyes examined.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 886 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined: |
Yellow lines indicate horizontal. Orange lines on the left indicate the tilt downward to the left Your logic puzzles me... If the orange lines and yellow lines were once parallel and the orange lines "sagged" or pivoted down to the left after the whole (or most of the) stack was already above it, shouldn't there be "gap" somewhere between the orange and yellow lines?? Instead that contact is seamless, barely even a crack between them. HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Google Images of the
As I said. The Stratigraphic Column is a diagram, a representation.
Stratigraphic Column as I understand it. Perhaps you are the one who is confused. Which is the usual case though you like to blame it on me.
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edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Perhaps you need your eyes examined.
Off topic, personal reference. Please focus.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The gap is in the depression below. The immediate strata just tilted, presumably stretching some since the stack was not dry.
' Do you have a way of explaining the tilt otherwise that's reasonable?
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edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Your logic puzzles me... If the orange lines and yellow lines were once parallel and the orange lines "sagged" or pivoted down to the left after the whole (or most of the) stack was already above it, shouldn't there be "gap" somewhere between the orange and yellow lines?? Instead that contact is seamless, barely even a crack between them.
Good point. If Faith is correct, and there is a gap caused by sagging where everyone else sees shadows, then there should be another shadow (er ... gap) where you are discussing.
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2402 days) Posts: 564 Joined:
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Faith writes: Yellow lines indicate horizontal. Orange lines on the left indicate the tilt downward to the left from the horizontal of the contacts above the sagged layers. Holy crap Faith -- in addition to admittedly having poor eyesight, you're drawing lines indicating slopes when you haven't a freaking clue the plane of the surface you are drawing on. Since the layers you are drawing lines on aren't at the level of the camera, any 'out of plane' aspect of the cut will make it look like the layers themselves are not in plane when in fact they can perfectly be. A perfect example of this issue is illustrated in the picture below -- we know that the porch floor, rail tops and eaves all fall on offset but identical planes. Notice how the rail top appears to be a straight line (because it's camera level) but the floor and eaves create lines that if emphasized with colors (as you did on the rocks above) would not be parallel?
No one came along after the cabin was built and squeezed the left and right ends of that cabin together, it's just an artifact of 2D lines on a 3D object. I'm convinced that in addition too the eyesight problem, you have difficulties in the transition from your 2D screen to the 3D world. JB
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I drew the lines correctly in perspective. There is something wrong with you. In more ways than one. The lines parallel the actual contacts on the rock face, you blithering yddyott. You need me to extend them so you can see their actual relation to the horizontal you blithering blithering doltish moron?. Yes, suspend me, Percy. I get sick of being harassed by blithering Yddyots. He talks sophomoric baby talk and thinks I'm on his level, the blithyering dolt.
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2402 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
Faith writes: The gap is in the depression below. To answer the question from HDB, a gap below does you no good, you need to explain how the left edge of the orange lines tilted downward (so you say) at the red arrow while leaving the yellow line in place without producing gap inside the red circle.
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