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Author | Topic: Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Blue Jay
The ban does work. The places in the world that have a burqa ban Quartz So that feeling you wanted us to ignore is available to us. Do not fear doing the right thing. I know that some women will be negatively effected but they are few as compared to those whose husbands get the message that in Canada, we do not own our wives and daughters. If those few that are offended cannot see that they are helping free their sisters, then they are just showing how immoral their religion has made them. RegardsDL Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given. Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
Most Canadians say faces shouldn’t be covered at citizenship ceremonies: poll - National | Globalnews.ca RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
What is more important to you? Protecting the culture of female oppression and ownership by men or the Canadian culture of freedom for women from ownership of men? RegardsDL
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2726 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, GIA.
That is a list of countries that have passed laws about wearing burqas. It is not an evaluation of how well burqa bans "work." Do you have statistics demonstrating that Muslim women are better off now that France and Belgium have banned burqas?
GIA writes: So that feeling you wanted us to ignore is available to us. That feeling should never be your goal, GIA: feelings can be very easily manipulated and misdirected. We should instead be focusing on producing some data about the actual effects of your proposed action.
GIA writes: Do not fear doing the right thing. Why do you insist on vilifying me? I am not opposed to "doing the right thing": I am in disagreement with you over what "the right thing" is. Please stop conflating these two things.-Blue Jay, Ph.D.* *Yeah, it's real Darwin loves you.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Blue Jay
"Do you have statistics demonstrating that Muslim women are better off now that France and Belgium have banned burqas?" I will have the moment a fire hits any building in those countries and girls do not die because they were forced to wear that apparel. I do have statistical information that all the citizens of both France and Belgium are better off in the sense that the majority ruled that the apparel in question was not desired by the majority. That rule of law serves all the Muslims in those communities as it protects the predominant culture and their desires. RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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I think the election is a more credible poll than yours.
Also interesting in your link:
quote:Does she sound oppressed to you?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Greatest I am writes:
You're the one who wants to deny women the right to make their own choice. What is more important to you? Protecting the culture of female oppression and ownership by men or the Canadian culture of freedom for women from ownership of men? Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2726 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined:
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Hi, GIA.
GIA writes: I will have the moment a fire hits any building in those countries and girls do not die because they were forced to wear that apparel. I've never heard "protection from fire" listed as one of the claimed reasons for wearing a burqa.
GIA writes: I do have statistical information that all the citizens of both France and Belgium are better off in the sense that the majority ruled that the apparel in question was not desired by the majority. Perhaps I'm being a bit obtuse here, but it seems like you're defining "better off" to mean "the majority has told the minority where they can stick it, and the minority is now sticking it there." I will need some more convincing before I accept this definition. The evidence I would expect to see if burqa bans are effective might look like some of the following:
I very well might begin to change my mind on this issue if evidence like this comes forward. As it stands however, the evidence of which I am aware seems pretty ambiguous, which makes me disinclined to support it.
GIA writes: That rule of law serves all the Muslims in those communities as it protects the predominant culture and their desires. In general, my political philosophy advocates for a certain degree of conformity with majority opinion, but forced conformity is very likely to breed unrest.-Blue Jay, Ph.D.* *Yeah, it's real Darwin loves you.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3991 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Blue Jay writes: Why do you insist on vilifying me? I am not opposed to "doing the right thing": I am in disagreement with you over what "the right thing" is. Please stop conflating these two things. GIA will conflate them, pose them as two horns of a dilemma, twist them in any way required to grafity GIA's self-righteousness. GIA is practicing moral terrorism: you're either with us or a'gin us. Agree with me, in diagnosis and prescription alike, or you are a moral leper. It is the rhetoric of a lynch mob. What would people not agree to if this stuff carried the day? It's a child-like, bully vision of good and evil: easy to distinguish, easy to destroy the outward signs of what we abhor, easy to believe that then all will be well. It's not about the oppressiveness of burkas; it's about the refusal to live with the differences they represent. I hate to fall to Godwin's law, but this is how you get there. NB: Subtitle sucked. Edited by Omnivorous, : pronouns"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2397 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: |
Repeat after me : Canada
You were talking about Canada remember? How does making the niqab illegal in Canada would change the lives of women in other countries? Please stick to your own topic.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
Does it sound like when in Rome do as the Romans do? You forget that Islam's agenda is always to try to have Sharia as the law of the land. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dRr854zxbA&feature=playe... If they do not want to live by our hard earned standards then they can stay the hell away. You may not have noted that they always want to live in our better systems and few of us try to go to theirs to live because we would not like their standards. Why would you want Canada to regress towards right wing fundamental Muslim standards? Do you like homophobes and misogyny? RegardsDL Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Blue Jay
LOL. "but forced conformity is very likely to breed unrest." What is every law we have on the books if not forced conformity? Democracy is the tyranny of the majority. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Omnivorous
I pulled the one statement I saw as worthy and true. "It's not about the oppressiveness of burkas; it's about the refusal to live with the differences they represent." Your first is only partially true as oppression is secondary to your last. I refuse to live with an outward sigh of internal slavery that many Muslim women have to live under. All moral people will be offended to have slaves in our free land. Did you hear what that woman in the O.P.'s link said about her husband saying--- its just a small piece of cloth? What is the cost of your freedom? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Bliyaal
Canada would be seen as leading by moral example. Every nail in the coffin of immoral actions, oppression and slavery is required before we bury such foul policies. RegardsDL
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2397 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: |
But Canada IS a leading example! Everyone as the RIGHT to choose what they want to wear. Again, you and radical fundamentalist muslims are on the same playing field : oppression. You are what you want to eliminate.
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