Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka?

ringo"We have to protect the rights of minorities because in the end we're all a minority of one."So you want to protect the rights of Muslim men to oppress and basically own their wives and daughters and force them to wear what he decides.Ok.Regards
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ringoEvery law has people on either side of it and every law discriminates negatively against one of the sides.There are men who want the right to be pedophiles.
Shall we protect their right to be and repeal the laws against it?No and I hope you agree, but you might remember the Afghan rape law that is just a step above the forced wearing of certain garb.Women are being assaulted as we speak by free women in Canada and elsewhere who are incensed by the garb in question. Shall we just allow that abuse of Muslim women to continue along with the slavery that that garb denotes?Regards
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Blue JayOut of context as you are mixing two trains of thought.Regards
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Blue Jay"You took a hardliner "majority rules" stance against me, and then pulled out "the majority is not always right" against Ringo."Does the majority not rule where you live?If yes then the first is correct.Do laws never get repealed or changed in your country?Yes they do which means that the majority who initiated the first law were not right.So what is your problem with what I said?-----------"Clearly, this tells me that you are not actually a hardliner "majority rules" guy, which makes me suspect that you haven't been debating honestly with me."Clearly, your opinion is wrong unless you can refute what I put above.------------"both of us seem to recognize that neither a strict "majority rules" or a loose anarchy is desirable:"No I do not. I gave the reasons for tyrannical majority rule in a reply above. Respect of law. I did not mention anarchy at all but that would be stupide.------------As to the burka ban.I recognize that a few women will not shake of the shackles of slavery easily. Too bad for them.I do not like the speed restrictions on the road but have to live with it due to the benefits of the many.Regards
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Bliyaal"Niqab = Pedophilia. I'll have to remember that."Only the smallest of minds would have put that = sign in that statement.It was not me.The wearing of the apparel in question and the harm done is spoken of by a Muslim woman in the link I put in the O.P..View it if you wish.Regards
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Blue JayPay attention.In a society where the majority is to rule, the majority have decided that it is moral to have the majority rule.This does not translate into the majority is moral or always moral. It is just saying that the majority thinks that it is moral to have the majority rule.If the majority was always moral then no law would ever be repealed and we have some of those laws that are repealed as the standards or morality change."I'm criticizing you for saying that "majority rules" is a good and moral thing.`It is to the majority or they would vote it down.If you do not think that majority rule is a good rule, what do you suggest to replace it?Regards
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FaithWell pick me up off the floor. One atta girl for you.Here is a link that shows a bit of what you spoke of in action.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kOiaXN-egg&feature=em-su...Welcome to the right side of this issue.Regards
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Bliyaal"You've been shown a testimony of a woman who wants to wear it. Is she a masochist?"No. She is a slave to a culture, tradition and or religion and insulting anyone who lives in a free country. She may as well be wearing a slave collar.--------"Pretty clear cut to me, you equate the desire to wear a niqab to men wanting the right to be pedophiles."Then you are an idiot as no one indicated such an idiocy.I just gave an example of immoral people who would want to enact immoral laws.You went for a cheap and false point and just seem like a fool.Regards
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ringo"You are the one who is advocating abuse of women."Is it abuse to make people drive the speed limit?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa6c3OTr6yA---------"How do you propose to punish women who are caught wearing the hijab?"France has a fine. $150.00 I think.The French are a white race.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_bsPAAy80U&feature=playe...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7b3fvsVtA&feature=playe...Regards
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Bliyaal"We know the answer, it's the man. Why don't you focus on the real problem instead of the false image you made up in your head?"I agree. Thanks for agreeing that he and his misogynous religion is the one forcing the wearing of that apparel.But what do you suggest we do to such a fundamentally flawed person?I have already suggested that we force Islam to alter the message of their jihadist and misogynous man creating Qur'an. Few seemed to think we could ask that so I have no other solution except for what follow.Please try to think like a Muslim man and opine on the notion I put.------Muslim men. Honor and duty to women demand that you outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka.Think of our Penopticon world. penopticon - SearchIn our technological world, security of the person is relying more and more on technology. Authorities of all kinds have their satellites and cameras on in so many locations now that one can barely find a place to spit without three different camera angle shots being taken and a spitting ticket being issued by someone monitoring those camera shots and looking for your money.Annoying? --- Perhaps. --- But great for security of the person and pleasing to our political as well as religious sense of duty and honor to women. Especially Muslim honor as Islam emphasized a man’s honor and duty to women, more than in the West. A Muslim man’s honor resides in his wife and protecting is paramount.The point is that the state provides security to it’s citizens via this technology and that more and more technology will be used. I.E., cell phones.It is incumbent then on the Muslim state to make it illegal to hinder any state or government from insuring the safety of all citizens, as honor and duty demands. Muslim woman should not be allowed to escape the safety umbrella that the state, in this case, Muslim men and Sharia, who must provide security of the person for Muslim women.Honor and duty to women demands that Muslim men forbid Muslim women from wearing anything that would reduce their security.
Enhancing the security of Muslim women is a Muslim man’s responsibility, duty and honor. To not accept and indeed demand the highest security for the Muslim women is dishonor and a shirking of a Muslim man’s duty.Allah will be pleased when Muslim men step up and have their women toss their hijab, niqab and burka in the dustbin, as Muslim honor demands.Regards
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BliyaalAgain you put an idiotic view that is not indicated at all.You must be showing your own thinking.Who is the racist here?For your information, I recognize only one race, the human race, and it just happens to have a variety of shades.Regards
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Omnivorous"GIA doesn't give a fig for Muslim women".You are lying. It is because I give a fig that I do what I do.Why do you not care for the freedom of Muslim women and would leave them slaved to Muslim men?Regards
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Blue Jay"Do burqa bans have a beneficial effect on society?"Absolutely. It protects the main culture and its values of face to face communication without ostracizing the immigrant culture or upsetting the majority culture.In the British legal system, witnesses must unveil as well as jurors because of the importance of the right of the defendant to face to face communication.----------"1. There is no evidence that such bans in other countries have significantly reduced oppression of Muslim women."Any reduction in oppression is valuable in a free nation is it not?Would you be prick enough to deny even a small reduction in oppression?--------------"2.The ban is likely to negatively effect women who are not currently being oppressed."Granted. It will to those brainwashed into thinking that apparel is somehow tied to religion and spirituality. They should take comfort in the fact that Jesus is said to have said that such religious symbols should be worn only in private. He frowned on public displays of piety.----------"3.The ban is going to difficult to enforce tactfully and effectively."B.S. No more than a speeding ticket if the women are more law abiding than this one. If a woman makes too big a fus, then she, like this one, will pay the consequences.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kOiaXN-egg&feature=em-su...Regards
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FaithI note a small flaw in your thinking."while conspiring to bring down a nation by growing your population to the point that you can force others to Sharia law."You say, "your population" while forgetting that these are now/then Americans that you are speaking of. Muslins, no argument, but still Americans. The same would apply to Canada of course.If a certain section of Americans, like the original mostly white population, refuse to reproduce, and another shade does, the other shade, if it becomes dominant over time, cannot be restricted in the type of law or political party it can form.Think liberal and conservative. If conservatives out-reproduce liberals regardless of color or original nationality or religion, your own constitution says that they can take over the government and do as they wish in terms of law.Regards
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BliyaalIf we --- "already have laws to protect the women" --- then we would not be discussing a law to protect her from or reducing her oppression.--------Care to comment on the last part of that post?Do you think a Muslim man will think of the security of the person of his wife?Regards
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