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caffeine
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Message 11 of 138 (773912)
12-10-2015 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Jon
11-30-2015 8:02 PM


Rewriting that scene to make the characters say something else is no less a war on that culture than ISIS' destruction of archaeological sites is a war on the cultural heritage of the Middle East.
I find the absurdity of this comment mildly offensive. Since causing me mild offence is no less am attack of my sense of well-being than breaking into my home, shooting off my kneecaps and then pissing in my mouth as I howl in agony, I have alerted the police already.

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Message 22 of 138 (773974)
12-11-2015 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Pressie
12-11-2015 6:37 AM


The same here. In my native language Christmas is called Kersfees. Literally translated Candle festival. The tradition comes from the winter solstice in the far north of the northern hemisphere where they don't get much sunlight this time of year. They used a lot of candles and celebrated the effect that the days will get longer from then on. The word Christmas is Anglo-centric.
This is a bad example. The 'kers' in 'kersfees' doesn't originally come from 'kers'. It's derived from 'Kerst' - and in Dutch they still sometimes call it 'Kerstfeest'. So it does tie back to Christ, even if that isn't how Afrikaaners interpret the word today.
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Message 48 of 138 (774208)
12-14-2015 1:23 PM
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12-14-2015 7:04 AM


The Dutch word for what we call 'kers' is 'kerst'. Nothing to do with Christianity. Not in Dutch, either.
Sorry for not clarifying, but it has everything to do with Christianity. The Dutch word for 'kers' is 'kaars'. 'Kerst', on the other hand, is an old word for 'Christ'. If you have a look at the Afrikaans wikipedia article on Christmas, it begins thusly:
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Kersfees, vanuit Kerst, 'n Middelnederlandse naam vir ‘Christus’, en dus letterlik Christusfees(..)
and in case you're not trusting of Wikipedia, you can read a selection of various Dutch etymological dictionaries here.

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Message 138 of 138 (775127)
12-28-2015 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Faith
12-19-2015 12:48 AM


Re: How Christian is Santa?
Didn't the Puritans outlaw Christmas as a pagan holiday or something like that?
But a problem is that Luther is said to have brought in a Christmas tree. I haven't seen that debunked so I assume it's true.
I don't know about Luther's views on Christmas, but during the religious conflicts in 16th and 17th century Britain Christmas was a hot potato issue - their 'Christmas wars' make the modern American version seem tame. The Puritans were, indeed, opposed to the celebration of Christmas, as they saw it a popish festival with pagan trappings and, most importantly, an encouragement to licentiousness and sin.
During the time of Puritan theocracy in the interregnum, the celebration of Christmas was banned, along with gambling, theatres, sport on Sundays, and most things that might be considered fun.
The origins of the Father Christmas figure, who has nowadays become mixed up with the Santa tradition, comes from anti-Puritan satires; with the jolly old man symbolising feasting and celebration at Christmas.

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