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johnfolton 
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Message 166 of 208 (80731)
01-25-2004 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by AdminAsgara
01-25-2004 7:14 PM


Re: Unanswered Questions
AdminAsgara, When I first started posting alway responded to the question by posting a new post, I was trying to answer a lot of questions with one post, but its doesn't register that I responded to the questions, There are a lot of times people don't respond to my questions, like the chromosome bundles, but they don't say they don't know the answer, some people seem to ask too many questions, and want to control the debate by forcing a point by point response, I try to give them a simple response that addresses all their questions, just lately I've just been hitting the reply button, so it registers that I responded, etc...

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Message 172 of 208 (80768)
01-26-2004 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by mark24
01-24-2004 10:13 AM


mark24, I don't have all the answers, but I gave you some answers, I don't believe in your millions of years for the different fossil layers(in this we agree to disagree), but assuming that the cambrian explosion was the genesis event, then were talking thousands of years, and not millions of years, for the fossils to be fossilizing, if no massive sediment fossil burials happen pre-flood, then you wouldn't have massive evidence pre-flood, think the only massive fossils evidences pre-flood might be the coral reefs that formed, pre-flood, that would have a lot of sediment from the tidal sediments burying and allowing the reef to grow upward, but these reefs are likely under up to a mile of flood sediments, but it would be interesting what kind of fossils are in the sediment layers above the coral reefs, etc...
1/ Why doesn't a single species in the modern day exist in the Cambrian?
things decomposed pre-flood (didn't fossilize), or they micro-evolved, or went extinct!
2/ Why doesn't a single species in the Cambrian exist today?
micro-evolution, or extinction
3/ Given that terrestrial plants were created on an earlier day than marine organisms, we should expect them to appear in the flood unaffected Cambrian sediments. They aren't. Not one. Not even pollen. Why?
liquefication, and short amounts of time since the creation event, and no massive pre-flood sediment burials preservation of pre-flood fossils.
4/ All fish are created on the same day as trilobites, yet where are the teleosts, placoderms, sarcopterygians etc? Completely & utterly absent. Why?
Fish should of survived the flood, however, some species went extinct, who knows why, breeding grounds, etc...
5/ Bryozoans are an entire phyla, & are completely absent from the Cambrian record. They should be there, where are they?
Are they present in coral reefs buried by the flood sediments?
6/ Why is 5/6ths of the fossil record in pre-flood sediments? How did those sediments get there?
Because the flood sediments buried the life pre-flood,(liquefication) unless they were carried away in the debris, or floated upward excessively, other 1/6th, etc...
7/ There are unicellular & multicellular fossils predating the Cambrian explosion. They exist in sediments that are unaffected by the flood. How did they get there?
I'm leaning God created the herbs, trees on day 3, so the algae, bacteria, that break down decaying matter, would of grown into the soil matrix, earth worms, etc...

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Message 180 of 208 (80851)
01-26-2004 11:43 AM
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01-26-2004 9:52 AM


mark24, I don't know enough about your imaginary sediment layers to argue whats in each one, too me, the liquefication layerings of the flood sediments and the fossils stratification within said sediments explain the fossil layerings, perhaps sometime I'll look at this all closer, to understand exactly what your saying, we all know some of the creatures of the flood went extinct, even today we have species that are now facing extinction, and no new kinds of creatures being formed, etc...
P.S. You just don't see creatures in the natural, fossilizing, they need to be buried, why would creatures pre-flood fossilize and not just decompose, meaning the flood sediment preserved only the fossils that were living 4,350 years ago, the ones that died pre-flood would of decomposed, fossilization doesn't happen in the natural, it needs burial, to be pressed into an imprint, mineralized or frozen, so I'm just going to agree to disagree, until such time as I can research, what fossils are being expressed in the natural in what layers, think it will all come down to you believe fossil sediments happened over large periods of time, and I believe it happened because they were buried by the biblical flood sediments which Walt Brown explains the natural physical mechanics of how liquefication stratification explains fossil deposition and stratification of said sediment layers, etc...

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Message 184 of 208 (80875)
01-26-2004 2:07 PM
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01-26-2004 12:51 PM


mark24, If fossils decompose, then the only evidence of the Genesis event would be only the creatures alive at the time of the biblical flood, and liquification supports there was no cambrian explosion fossil record, the creatures of the Cambrian event would of died, decomposed leaving little evidence of their passing, the fossil record is basically the creatures alive at the time of the flood, fossils that were buried, frozen, it doesn't happen naturally(fossils decomposes), it takes a burial, and the fossil record shows a world sediment deposition, etc...
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Message 188 of 208 (80923)
01-26-2004 8:20 PM
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01-26-2004 2:56 PM


mark24, I no longer believe the fossil record gives an accurate record of the Cambrian explosion, as the fossil record can only be a the fossils that were alive at the time of the biblical flood, given that fossils decompose in the natural, it does gives a record of the creatures alive 4,350 years ago, when this flood poured out the sediments upon the earth, with the flood waters.

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Message 190 of 208 (80958)
01-26-2004 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Silent H
01-26-2004 11:03 PM


holmes, I believe all sediments layers are primarily the fossil sediment of the biblical flood, not just limited to the cambrian, likely their is some fossils that could be interpreted to of been formed pre-flood, like coral reefs, buried under the sediments, etc...
P.S. I never got into all the different names given, as too me, they are all just part of the same deposition, I'm just give mark 24 the credit for showing me the fossils are not evidence for the cambrian explosion, so keep looking for your fossils, don't think their out there, but we all enjoy new discoveries, etc...

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