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truthlover
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Message 14 of 208 (80088)
01-22-2004 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by FliesOnly
01-22-2004 1:12 PM


Yet they claim to accept so many other scientific theories, such as gravity and chemical bond theory.
Actually, it seems to me that the best example of all is the germ theory of disease and related medical fields. It seems obvious from the stories in the Gospels that the Bible teaches that seizures are caused by demons, yet when a Christian's child has a seizure, that Christian (except in very rare denominations, whose children are prone to dying from lack of medical attention) doesn't call his pastor, he calls his doctor, who has learned how to treat seizures from science, not the Bible.
Or how about astronomy? Since Genesis one teaches (despite attempts by Christian translators to cover this up) that the sky is a hard dome holding up water, why do they accept astronomy's teaching that the stars are really big, burning balls of gas, many of them bigger than the sun and thousands of light years away?

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truthlover
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Message 58 of 208 (80285)
01-23-2004 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by johnfolton
01-22-2004 3:25 PM


The reason evolutionists don't like the Intelligent Design theory is the very reason no doctorate in basic or applied science will debate Walt Brown, evolutionists want to debate theology, when the issue is does Science support Intelligent design, or Evolution.
The evidence supports Intelligent Design, so when you write your paper, be sure to include that Intelligent Design refuses to get dragged into a theological debate, its only concerned with the scientific evidences, for design,
ROFLOL! Bwahahahaha!
That's great. Whew. Let me wipe the tears from my eyes. Can I use this tonight during the discussion after "Darwin's Dangerous Idea" DVD is shown at our "church" (village, really)? Maybe I can bring it up right after the video footage of Ken Ham doing his silly quips and one liners designed to avoid all evidence.

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truthlover
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Message 59 of 208 (80288)
01-23-2004 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by johnfolton
01-22-2004 6:31 PM


what makes you special is that you were created in the image of God, it should be as plain as the nose on your face,
I'm sorry, I missed the picture of God's nose, or I would have been able to see plainly, too. Can you tell me where I can see God's nose and compare it with ours?

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truthlover
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Message 61 of 208 (80295)
01-23-2004 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by FliesOnly
01-22-2004 2:45 PM


I'd like them to explain how they can accept any scientific theory? That is, on what basis do they agree with any of them, or do they feel that it is there God given right () to pick and choose which are acceptable and which are not?
Just as an anecdote. A couple weeks ago some friends and I were discussing science vs. the Bible, and I asked if I could illustrate the picking and choosing to them. They said yes, and I got up and headed toward the front door. As I reached the kitchen, I threw myself back on the floor and mimicked a seizure, tongue sticking out, feet kicking the ground and everything. It was great fun.
Then I rolled over, looked up, and said, "Who ya gonna call?"
They all got it once I explained. They all would have called 911 had it been a real seizure. Why? So that people who have studied science could help me. All the men in the room had read the Bible many times over, and have devoted their lives to the life described in the New Testament. Yet none of them would have followed the NT course of action, which would have been to rebuke the demon that "threw me down." They would have all trusted scientists.
Now, none of the men in that room had a problem with evolution, but the fact is that others who "don't want to trust science" would have called 911, too. They wouldn't have called someone who studied the Bible. They'd have called someone who had studied science.

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truthlover
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Message 62 of 208 (80298)
01-23-2004 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by NosyNed
01-22-2004 7:27 PM


But we already know that some do believe and some don't. We also know that most of those who do don't have any evidence for that belief. They just believe. That's been discussed a lot. Why bother?
I agree with Crashfrog, Ned. I realize that creationists (and fundamentalist Christians in general) refuse to even acknowledge any grounds for discussion other than their own worldview, but I'm for constantly reminding them that their worldview is not the only one there is, and it's rude for anyone, including them, to ignore the other person's way of thinking as they're discussing.
Well, either it's rude or they're too stupid or childish to put themselves in another's shoes, and I think it would be rude of us to just assume they're too stupid to discuss politely or sensibly.

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