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Author Topic:   Defence of Intelligent Design
PaulK
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Message 19 of 208 (80113)
01-22-2004 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by johnfolton
01-22-2004 3:25 PM


So you say that people don't like ID because Walt Brown won't let anyone take up his phoney debate challenge ? What makes you think that ID is blamed for Walt Brown's behaviour ?

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Message 24 of 208 (80128)
01-22-2004 4:41 PM
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01-22-2004 4:28 PM


The facts are that Joe Meert signed the agreement, knowing that the editor could decide against him and agreeing to go ahead with the debate in that event. Brown on the other hand won't even let the decision go to the editor.
Brown refuses to debate.

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Message 28 of 208 (80138)
01-22-2004 5:11 PM
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01-22-2004 4:59 PM


Joe Meert isn't out to DEBATE religion at all. What he DOES want to do is to show how Brown's religious beleifs influence his conclusions. And it is entirely likely that the reason for condition 4 is to conceal just that. Does that explain why Brown is running scared ?

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Message 75 of 208 (80330)
01-23-2004 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by johnfolton
01-23-2004 1:29 PM


Referrign to Fred Williams as an authority won't cut much ice here.
He came, he lost, he left
THe article you refer to is full of inaccuracies and misrepresentations.
Let's start with Archaeopteryx. The quote offered is not only inaccurate but it does not even deny that archaeopteryx is a genuine transitional !
There are plenty of invertebrate transitionals, too - Fred even REFERS to two examples in a side bar ! Or does Fred think that clams and plankton are vertebrates ?

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Message 79 of 208 (80335)
01-23-2004 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Warren
01-23-2004 2:08 PM


Re: Intelligent Design
I hope that you are icnluding yourself in the number that do not understand what ID is.
ID is a blanket term - it includes for instance Young Earth Creationism. And ID certainly used to be committed to interventionism - Dembski himself said that ID was "no friend" to non-interventionist views.
I agree that ID is not a theory. I disagree as to what it is. It is a political movement directed at making the biology curricula of schools less scientific and more in line with their personal beliefs.

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