The Tension of Faith

It's interesting that Mr. Conservative, Barry Goldwater totally rejected the idea of religion having any place in politics and of Ronald Reagan as a leader of anything beyond maybe the Screen Actors Guild (a union).And one of the major purposes in the creation of the Authorized King James Bible was as a tool to justify the Divine Right of Kings and it follows the same mentality as the current Christian Cult of Ignorance and Dishonesty; that what God ordained trumps what the people want and that all power is vested in those anointed by God.

Of course not Faith. In fact we plan on supporting your right to behave as you wish within your society as long as you do not infringe on the rights of others.

Again Faith, reality simply says you are wrong. James I & VI was a PROTESTANT, and it was to assert the Kings position over the other nobles, parliament and the peoples.England had adopted a Protestant State Church under Henry VIII and with the exception of the sort time Mary was queen had remained a Protestant Nation.James I & VI wrote his treatise The True Law of Free Monarchies in 1598, sixty five years after Henry VIII broke with Rome and it dealt with Kingship and the role of Parliaments and Subjects. It had nothing to do with the Papacy.

Fact: marriage is a civil contract.
Fact: the God you market has no say in who can or should get married.
Fact: No Christian in the US is forced to accept or approve of or like a same-sex marriage.
Fact: No decision or opinion by some Chapter of Club Christian or any member of said Chapter of Club Christian overrides civil law.
Fact: God's Laws carry no weight in the US, Thank God!

But again Faith, reality says that is simply not true.The law has not driven any Christian out of business.AbE: If Faith and the members of similar Chapters of Club Christian wish to claim some law for causing problems, it is their idea of God's Law that is the bad guy not any civil law. Edited by jar, : see AbE:

But it was not the law but their behavior and decision that is the problem. They were perfectly free to continue their business as long as they did not break the law. And let's make this very, very, very clear; it is not a Christian position but rather the position of their Chapter of Club Christian that is the issue.And sorry, but believe it or not bakeries can make more than just wedding cakes. If anything it is simply Philips utter ignorance and lack of humanity that should be faulted.

Again Faith, reality simply shows you are once again wrong. I AM a Christian and so do not hate Christianity. There is no such thing as true Christianity except in the minds of bigots.I also understand that there are Christians who do not oppose same sex marriage.I also understand that marriage is a civil contract.I also understand that churches only perform marriage ceremony under license from the State.I understand that since marriage is a civil contract, that only some Christian Churches oppose same sex marriage, that the existence of same-sex marriages have absolutely no effect on anyone else's marriage, the issue is not a matter of God's Law but only the opinions of some Chapters of Club Christian.I understand that no Chapter of Club Christian is being forced to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies and no one Christian or non-Christian is being forced to marry a person of the same sex that the issue is not related to any civil law but only the imaginings of those who wish to whine and play martyr.I also understand they have every right to whine, play martyr and even suffer should that make them happy.

Thank you. You are correct, the problem is not the Civil Law, Not God's Law but only the interpretation your Chapters of Cub Christian have created.There is no reason, nor do any of us think you should be punished for your beliefs, but we do understand your beliefs do not allow you to break the law.If you decide that you will break the law then that is your decision but of course law breaking does carry sanctions.The issue is not the Civil Law, not God's Law but only your interpretations.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin nor ---> not

It is also possible, albeit unlikely perhaps, that gay couples might benefit society by teaching and educating and maintaining homes and partaking in politics and serving on school boards and paying taxes and shopping in stores and ...

I'm sorry but that is simply not true.The law did NOT prohibiting the free exercise of the Christian religion in any way. There are Christian Bakers who have no problem baking a cake for Adam and Steve.

The only legitimate marriages are marriage recognized by the State.Sorry Faith but simply joining together a man and a woman is just fucking.Sorry Faith but simply leaving her parents to live with a man is just shacking up.To be a legitimate marriage the State must recognize the contract.God does not enter in in any way.

Except no one here has expressed any reason to even dream that they hate you.

Kinda. The Evangelicals though are true Christians, just very sad people.Their Christianity, Faith's Christianity is as much True Christianity as all other flavors of Christianity. It's just a very nasty form of True Christianity.

Yet as you have been shown the Bible and even Jesus say that loving people often involves violating God's law.

It is true that Jesus was never a Christian, he was a Jew and he preached to Jews, who thought THEY were the chosen people. But the New Testament is filled with Jesus tell both the Jews and his own followers that they are NOT the elect, not special, not saved. In the Parable of the Good Samaritan is is a NON-Jew, an unbeliever that is the standard and in Matthew 25 the Goats are all direct followers of Jesus, disciples.In Luke 4 he repeats the lesson: But she is a Christian Percy, and a rather typical example of the Calvin influenced Evangelical Christian.She is exactly the type follower Jesus was talking about when he is quoted in the "I never knew you" passage in Matthew 7: