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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
They shot themselves in the foot. It's like inventing a phlogiston detector that shows that there is no phlogiston. Firstly science was started by theists....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Again, you're the poster child for not knowing what you're talking about, so that statement is pretty well worthless. You're living proof of non-regeneration. The ability to believe in the biblical God is the result of regeneration so it IS relevant.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Fat people shouldn't have their feelings hurt if somebody notices that they're fat. But keep up the hubris. You're making my point. Gosh, it's a good thing I DO know what I'm talking about a lot of the time or my feelings might be hurt by your comments.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Yet another instance of you making unfounded assumptions. ... if you did it would be an expression of hostility.... Edited by ringo, : spellingeAnd our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
foreveryoung writes:
When your doctor tells you to lose a few pounds, he isn't being hostile; he's being helpful.
Hostility is the reason people call other people fat in most cases. foreveryoung writes:
Jumping to conclusions isn't reasonable. It's reasonable for faith to assume you are representative of the vast majority.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
foreveryoung writes:
Pointing out that somebody is wrong doesn't diminish their value.
Noticing someone is fat is a far cry from using that "fact" to diminish the value of that person... foreveryoung writes:
If you check your facts you'll find that Faith has been hostile toward me - and almost everybody else on this forum - and you'll find that my response to her is usually pretty civil in comparison. ... especially if there is a past of such a hostile attitude. Edited by ringo, : spellingeAnd our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I can only guess that you're talking about demons. Of course it would also apply to your God. How does it benefit Him to not be believed in? How would you suggest one go about proving the existence of invisible beings? Actually I'm sure you have a few watching you this very minute but they wouldn't want to blow their cover with you since it benefits them not to be believed in.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
No, that isn't how the brain works. It is possible to be intelligent and sane in some parts of your brain while holding silly thoughts in another part. What distinguishes blind believers is their inability to assess their own thoughts for silliness. That lots of intelligent sane people describe them to you really ought to count as a good enough reason to think there might be something to it.... There's a good reason why we often ask each other, "Did you see that?" Our social connections help us to filter out the individual silliness.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Members of a cult never know they're in a cult. They just think they have The Truth.
There is no such thing as a "Christian Cult of Ignorance and Dishonesty". Phat writes:
You keep misunderstanding what "marketing" means. It isn't necessarily a cash transaction. Evangelism is inherently a form of marketing. To assert that early Christianity was a cheap marketing gimmick only holds water as a baldfaced assertion without evidence. There is no evidence that anyone was selling anything.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I have said somewhere else what I consider a cult to be: a group that considers itself (its leaders) the authority on everything, that discourages its members from looking/learning outside the group, that cites "authorities" rather than evidence. You certainly fit that description, as do the Moonies, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.
I can't even figure out how anyone calls mainstream Protestant traditional Christianity a "cult." Faith writes:
I have pointed out to you before that you have cited Catholics as authorities. Do you relly want that list scrutinized? I suspect we would find people on it who disagree with you. The list of well known Christians in Message 777....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Bingo. By your standard there could never be a body of doctrine that wasn't a cult. Note that Judaism doesn't have a solid body of doctrine; everything is open to interpretation. Note how Jesus reinterpreted the Pharisees' interpretation. Similarly, the "liberal" Christianity that you spit on is somewhat flexible in its interpretation - i.e. more Christ-like.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Vey. Oy. If you're going to use their language, you should show some respect for their views.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
There's a difference between a coherent body of doctrine and a fixed, dogmatic one. A cult protects its doctrine from reality. There is no organized institution on the planet that doesn't have a coherent body of doctrine.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
On the contrary, you're the one who insists that all truth comes from the Bible - but not from what the Bible actually says, only what your "orthodox authorities" say it says. To me that describes a cult. You are the one inventing a "fixed dogmatic" doctrine, not I.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
So you're agreeing with me?
To me, consensus comes from a wide and varied audience--not from one old codger with critical thinking who argued philosophy on a battleship gray front porch and who formed his own dogmatic views. Phat writes:
Yes. We've already done that. Otherwise, we may as well introduce Loki and the spaghetti monster as reasonable alternatives to the Creator of all seen and unseen.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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