Christianity and the End Times

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You're just making shit up again jaywill; none of that is in the story written in Genesis 2&3. Also absolutely none of that has anything to do with Christianity and the End Times.

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Actually it is related to the End Times.John said he saw the DEAD standing before God ready to be judged in Revelation 20. They're eternally to be separated from God. Their being dead is not non-existence but eternal separation.And in the end the sons of God (not the dupes and losers hoodwinked by the Old Serpent) are restored to God's image and God's dominion being expressed through them.I use to wonder how you could possibly write so many ignorant things in one day. Then it hit me. You get up early! Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Revelation is not Genesis 2&3.

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You're overlooking the fact that the MOST insidious effective way of lying is to include in the lie some amount of what is true.

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That hardly applies in this case. And I note that you do not produce an example.

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Sure Adam gained the knowledge of good and evil. What he did not get, because he is now united to Satan - is the power to carry out the good that he knows or the power to resist the evil that he now knows.

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That is not in the story at all. Indeed, Adam and Eve are able to make clothing of a sort, and their limitations in that respect are hardly due to being united to Satan.

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In reach for autonomy rather than dependence on his Creator he became united with God's enemy. Now he must die

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That isn’t in the story either.

I know it's important for you to think that way, it would be devastating to understand that people can get on just fine without your rediculous delusion, but that's the way it is. SORRY.

As far as fictional characters in books go, I think Frodo Baggins has the edge as he actually managed to do what he set out to do and did rid the earth of a great evil.

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As far as fictional characters in books go, I think Frodo Baggins has the edge as he actually managed to do what he set out to do and did rid the earth of a great evil.

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How come Western civilization's concept of time is not divided between "Before Baggins" and "In the Year of Baggins," the way they divided world history into "Before Christ" and "In the Year of Our Lord" - BC and AD ?Try again with an arguably historical person of historicity. There are plenty of people to choose from. You don't have to resort to Marvel Comics or Mother Goose Fairy Tales.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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I know it's important for you to think that way, it would be devastating to understand that people can get on just fine without your ridiculous delusion, but that's the way it is. SORRY.

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Yes, you certainly have proved that you can have many happy hours of reading the Hobbit. That will at least keep your mind busy on fun while your waiting to die. Don't have to even think about life's meaning.Live for entertainment, why don't you?Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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That hardly applies in this case. And I note that you do not produce an example.

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Provide an example?You are reading the example at Genesis 3:1-5 Truth - For God knows that ... your eyes will be opened knowing good and evil. Embedded Lie - You will not surely die. If you didn't notice all other maladies to the human race derived from believing this mixture of truth and falsehood.There's your example right in front of your face. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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That is not in the story at all. Indeed, Adam and Eve are able to make clothing of a sort, and their limitations in that respect are hardly due to being united to Satan.

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The clothing they made at first was inadaquate. Fig leaves. God slew an animal in order to properly cloth them.Its significant.That's pretty naive that you count making cloths proved they were A Okay from then on.
The next account is about how one brother murdered the other out of jealousy.Man knows good and evil and is even very proud of that knowledge.
Man cannot always carry out the good that he knows.
And he cannot always resist doing the hated evil that he also knows.Its a fact.
You yourself cannot live up to your own ideal.
Neither can I.All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Adam did not just disobey God. Something of an evil foreign element entered into him poisoning him - polluting him.That is the reason why the story of Cain and Abel immediately follows the story of Adam and Eve falling into sin and death.God warning Cain that SIN is crouching (probably near the door of his heart) seeking to control him in spite of his knowledge of good and evil. He ends up being mastered BY sin and committing the evil of murder.Before the fateful slaughter of Abel God says to Cain - We know who ended up ruling over who. Cain was defeated and wickedly murders his brother - under the sneakiness of inviting him for a "pleasant" time in the field. How evil. I still don't think you get the big picture of the Bible.
Are you an Atheist ?
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In reach for autonomy rather than dependence on his Creator he became united with God's enemy. Now he must die

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That isn’t in the story either.

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It isn't?This is the kind of folly that happens when an Atheist assumes to come along side a believer to ... "help" ... him understand the Bible.The covetous Reach for Autonomy - She obviously responded by yielding to the enticement of the serpent. Only God is the UNCREATED one in the story.
Only God is absolutely self existing and autonomous.This is the kind of misunderstandings I get as supposed "help" when Atheists self appoint themselves as some kind of Fundy Exterminator and nee jerk disagree with anything a believer says, on general principle.Adam and Eve's fall at temptation was to become autonomous and independent from God.All other created beings are dependent upon God.
Only God is uncreated and self existing - autonomous.Maybe you can help on such things like noticing the problem of how many horses Soloman had in his stalls. Stuff like that.The big picture of the revelation of the Bible?
You're not getting it. Maybe you don't want to get it. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

I think you'll probably find that the people of Middle Earthdo make that distinction. Also the passing of the ELVES. You think the bible stories are history? That's utterly bizarre

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You think the bible stories are history? That's utterly bizarre

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Is it utterly bizzarre to count Jesus as a man of integrity whom one can trust ?I didn't initially believe all the history told in the Bible.
Eventually the integrity of Jesus rose to a level of being for me beyond reproach.I noticed that if some things in the Old Testament were good for Him then I could trust them.This was a gradual process. First the integrity of Jesus Christ gradually rose in my estimation to be beyond questioning.It still is today.Thanks anyway, I guess. Go on back to The Hobbit. Sleep there. I'll just step over you and keep moving forward discerning between entertaining fiction and reality.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Wrong BOOK. Again that's one of the tropes that you have to believe about people who don't share your fantacies isn't it?You'll not accept that us NORMALS live fulfilled and meaningful lives without having to spend a life on our knees worshipping a book of primitive mythology and making rubbish up about what it means.

But now you find yourself able to believe in talking snakes, global floods, ADAM AND EVE, pillars of salt, loaves and fishes, heaven and hell, angels, devils etc ETC. And all this is historically true?It's interesting watching a DELUSION grow.