Forum: Christian Ideology

I like your style, Bound.regards,
Esteban Nor Hambre

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"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."
-Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 46

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Mammuthus, I have established that no respectable study of Christianity can be made without focusing on the Inquisition, the Crusades, the Antiabolitionists, and the Nazis. I think my quotes from Mein Kampf, my link to that abortion-clinic-sniper story, and my observation that a lot of incarcerated criminals wear crucifixes are enough to prove my point. No, I did not read the Bible, and that overview of the Bible was much too involved as well. I scanned the summary of the overview, but one can only do so much when there's laundry piling up. Therefore I think it's obvious that no evidence I've seen even comes close to refuting my claims. Your argument, as always, is drivel.regards,
Esteban "None So Blind" Hambre[This message has been edited by MrHambre, 03-10-2004, and you should go away.][This message has been edited by MrHambre, 03-10-2004]

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My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
—Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922

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Your argumentation is pointless. There is a direct correlation between Christianity and genocide, and there exists no evidence to the contrary. None that I would consider valid, anyway.I finally read a review of the summary of that overview of the Bible, and I'm convinced that it only proves my point. The book is evidently full of judgmental language like 'sin,' 'condemn,' 'abomination,' and 'shepherd,' and lots of people die. Jesus himself said 'let the dead bury their dead,' which sounds like he advocated eugenics.regards,
Esteban Nor Hambre

I guess you two have given up on trying to rebut my reinforced-steel-clad arguments concerning the genocidal nature of Christian ideology. Not surprising concerning neither of you have offered anything except limp-dick satire and shocking vitriol to counter my rational, realistic, and well-supported claims.regards,
Esteban Nor Hambre

Ever go to the movies? Ever read a book? I'm pretty sure that the subject of "immorality associated with Christian theology" is on a hollywood shortlist of topical things to make the movie look interesting. When the gangsta says something like, "God dammit," or "raising the dead," with sometimes more direct and broader reference to "living by the sword and dying by the sword," like in the movie Mary Kate and Ashley, She-Wolves of the S.S.. Anytime the subject of "going straight to Hell" comes up in a movie, chances are high that Christian ideology would be referred to either explicitly or implicitly but still clear, and most always it is noted as the morality of crooks. Actually if I remember correctly The Passion presents Christian ideology as a sadomasochistic perversion, but I think I wandered into some Gwyneth Paltrow movie by mistake. What point was I trying to make? It'll come back to me.Again you must have heared the reference to "Christ on a bike" a thousand times in movies and tv this way, and maybe even a few times with people you know. Back in the early days of Christianity the phrase might have been seen as denoting progress and good things.regards,
Esteban Nor Hambre

Born2Preach,You and I and every sane person on this board realizes how easy it is to assert something, dredge up some info that seems to back up the claim, then stick to your story. This is what Syamsu has done since showing up here. Any realistic debater accepts when evidence contradicts his claim. The realistic debater recognizes the authority and expertise of others in a field in which his contact may only be through watered-down popular literature. The realistic debater, in short, can admit that there's a possibility he's wrong.Syamsu isn't content to say that the Nazis appropriated Darwinian terminology in an attempt to lend scientific legitimacy to their cruelty. He's not merely stating that prominent German scientists aided and abetted the Nazi cause. Instead, he has made the claim that Darwinian evolutionary theory is essentially indistinguishable from Nazism. If this claim were true, we should not be able to find any literature that makes use of Darwinian theory that does not also advocate genocide. If this claim were true, every one of us here (and elsewhere) who accept the validity of Darwinian evolution should also advocate racist policies and eugenic programs. Most importantly, if this claim were not true, the evidence that he has overstated his case should be obvious and persuasive to anyone possessed of reason.Syamsu doesn't listen to reason. He assumes that attempts to defend supporters of Darwin's theory from charges of racism are in fact ploys to whitewash the Nazi atrocities. Many here have proposed rational arguments that make crucial distinctions between the theory of evolution by natural selection and its misuse by racists. Just as many have asserted that the early Darwinists (as well as Darwin himself) harbored prejudices that we don't feel obligated either to share or to include as essential aspects of Darwin's ToE. All of these patient, intelligent arguments have been ignored without exception by Syamsu, who (though it's doubtful he even understands the distinctions) routinely dismisses them as 'drivel' and 'nonsense.' When presented with primary scientific literature that is demonstrably free from the racism he asserts is the core component of Darwinism, he closes his eyes. Upon being supplied with passages from books he himself has quoted as supporting his claims, he changes the subject. There is literally no way to persuade him that he is mistaken in his blanket condemnation of all Darwinists as Nazis.I don't deplore the closing of this thread. It's juvenile, obvious humor, but I think the irony has a point. Anyone could play Syamsu's game, and all we've done is substitute Christianity as the suspect ideology. I could just as easily come up with quotes from Hitler that talk about God and Christ, and assert that Christianity is the same as Nazism. I could point to historical atrocities that were committed in the name of Jesus, and assert that this supports the validity of my argument that Christianity is a genocidal concept. When anyone presents evidence of Jesus's message of love and tolerance in the Bible, or points out that the vast majority of Christians do not advocate racism, I could dismiss them as spouting garbage and tell them to go away. And people would have every right to be outraged at my inability to debate them rationally and politely, or to admit when my opinion is based on my own prejudices and not on an objective assessment of the evidence at hand.regards,
Esteban "Satire Satyr" Hambre

Bound,If you're really interested in the intricate relationship between Christianity and genocide, here are a few interesting books for you:The Catholic Church and the Holocaust, 1930-1965 by Michael Phayer
The Popes Against the Jews: The Vatican's Role in the Rise of Modern Anti-Semitism by David I. Kertzer
Pius XII and the Second World War: According to the Archives of the Vatican by Pierre Blet, et al
Hitler, the War, and the Pope by Ronald J. Rychlak
Pius XII and the Holocaust: Understanding the Controversy by Jose M. SanchI haven't read any of them but hey, those titles say it all.regards,
Esteban Nor Hambre