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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
And I will tip the scales once more! Can't have this thread being balanced now can we?
1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control are not natural.
What would be the evidence of this? Also, I thought up a scenario in which it could be explained as natural. See, we are multiplying too fast, so homosexuality is like a natural brake on this. Woo much people isn't nice either. So, have some of them be gay, and hey presto, some of the population growth stymied!
2. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people cannot get legally married because the world needs more children.
Yet, old couples CAN get legally married.
3. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.
Yet they don't.
5. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and it hasn't changed at all: women are property, Blacks can't marry Whites, and divorce is illegal.
These things get weirder by the minute. Anyway, blacks CAN marry whites. Homosexuality has been around for as long as we know. And women aren't property. 6. Gay marriage should be decided by the people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of minorities.
Which is of course not true. It's the other way around in fact.
7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That's why we only have one religion in America.
First, we don;t live in a theocracy. And of course, there are many religions in America.
8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall.
Of course, this is, again, not true. Hanging around tall people will make you lazy however, since you don't have to reach for higher places anymore, you can just ask one of them tall folks.
9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage license.
It can't and it doesn't. It will lick you if you apply peanut butter however (not sure if that is appropriate here, but hey, this is a zany post I'm replying to anyway.)
10. Children can never succeed without both male and female role models at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.
Again, not true. Single parents do raise happier and healthier children however, seeing that one can be happy without being forced to act as if you're happy will have a profound effect on those youngsters.
11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to cars or longer lifespans.
If you would leave those silly comments out, it would be a better way to balance the thread. (And for me to unbalance it again) In any case, wrong again.
12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages will for gays & lesbians.
With the exception of course that they didn't, and that it won't. A funny little list this. Too bad it's so obviously fake. Ah well, had some fun replying. I hunt for the truth
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Not sure if I should reply to this because I am in effect enabling him, but I just had to ask this.
Fosdick writes: Marriage means a civil union between one man and one woman Would you, or anyone else, mind pointing out to me exactly WHERE it says that? I hunt for the truth
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
prop 8 was ADDED. where did it say this originally.
See, if I can get enough support, I could add to the law that marriage is a civil union between two gay people. Would you then advocate that heterosexuals can no longer get married? I hunt for the truth
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
I asked where it stated in the law that marriage is a civil union between man and woman. You didn't provide it, you pointed to prop 8, which is not the original law, it was added to it. Again, if I gather enough support to pass a prop that says marriage is a civil union between two gay people, will you say heterosexuals can't marry?
I hunt for the truth
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
What you're saying is give gay and straight people the exact same rights under law, but don't call it marriage? In other words, take the word marriage out of the law and call it just "civil union" for everybody?
I don't see a problem with that. I hunt for the truth
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
rueh writes:
It's just a title, what does this matter, as long as they have the same rights?
are you suggesting that only couples that are involved in a particular religion gets to hold the tittle of "married"? What about those who do not attend any type of religious organization? Do those people only get civil unions as well? Wouldn't this continue this trend of bestowing rights and tittles to some groups while denying it to others?
Only titles I'd say. If people "marry" by law, they should ALL get equal rights. People who ONLY "marry" by churches shouldn't get those rights, churches aren't governments. To clarify I'll give an example. In my country, people can either marry by law and by the church, or only by law. One cannot gain or lose ANY rights by ONLY marrying by the church. I don't see a problem in arranging this so that all people can do this. In fact, in my country ALL people CAN get married only by law, I don't see a problem though with calling ALL marriages by law civil unions, and all marriages by church marriages, as long as no rights are lost or won by marrying ONLY by church. I hunt for the truth
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Bottom line is I don't care what they call it, as long as everyone gets equal rights.
I hunt for the truth
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Perhaps having different backgrounds I do think too lightly about this. This has never been a real problem in my lifetime here. True, at first gays couldn't marry, but they can now for a very long time. They can only marry by law though, since the churches for obvious reasons won't marry them. This however has NO bearing at all on teir rights. They can adopt children here, and have ALL the rights of a heterosexual married couple. There was some outrage here earlier this year when some civil servants refused to marry some gays because they didn't agree with the law. This led to a public outcry, and the government had to step in , and, since there some christian parties in our government (what a shock eh?) they came up with a half baked solution, preventing these civil servants from marrying gays, but ensuring gays could still get married.
So, as you can see, the public oppinion over here is overwhelmingly in favour of gay marriage and ALL the rights that come with it. Since I haven't really experienced the situation in your country first hand, i can't really comment on it in depth, but be assured I want nothing more then gays and straights to have ALL the same rights. I hunt for the truth
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
I want a government that rules with equality, regardless of people's opinions.
I hunt for the truth
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