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nator

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Message 13 of 263 (452459)
01-30-2008 12:27 PM

Reply to: Message 10 by iano
01-30-2008 11:33 AM

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That there is no great desire to introduce abortion or same sex unions has to do with there not being huge demand for it.. yet. All the infrastructure for abortion - bar the actual operation - is freely available. A quick flight over the water to England has resolved that detail for many a year.

Er, isn't the fact that many Irish women have to fly to the UK to have abortions indicate that there is, actually, a demand for abortion services in Ireland?

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Laws and constitutional bans against abortion do not prevent it. They simply cause women the distress of having to travel, of having to raise difficult sums of money, and sometimes having to conceal their actions.' 'The women we see from Ireland are like the women we see from England, except that they are more desperate. They are made desperate by the lack of legal abortion here.' 'The women who attend BPAS clinics receive excellent care from staff who support and respect them. But Irish women need and deserve care in their home country'.

--Ann Furedi, Director of Communications for BPAS

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nator

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Message 20 of 263 (452522)
01-30-2008 4:09 PM

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01-30-2008 1:14 PM

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Ironically, it could be that the easy availability of abortion services in England leaks pressure that might otherwise build up towards having the status quo here changed.

Very true.

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Message 55 of 263 (453242)
02-01-2008 6:08 PM

Reply to: Message 47 by Lemkin
01-31-2008 9:35 PM

Re: You need to read the Bible more...

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Just because men and women are treated differently, doesn't mean that their treatment is unequal.

When the Bible says:

Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

what does it mean?

It sounds to me like a hierarchy is being established here, and it goes like this:

1) God
2) Christ
3) Man
4) Woman

God is the head of Christ.

Christ is the head of man.

Man is the head of woman.

That means women are to be obedient and worshipful to men, just as men are to be obedient and worshipful to Christ.

Right?

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Message 58 of 263 (453535)
02-02-2008 6:23 PM

Reply to: Message 57 by iano
02-01-2008 7:40 PM

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Perhaps "God's wrath is being poured out upon all the ungodliness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth in their unrighteousness" does indeed take the form of tsunami's and hurricanes and disease.

So, when several tornadoes ripped through the center of Salt Lake City, what did it mean?

When Katrina devastated most of New Orleans, yet left the bars and strip clubs of Bourbon Street and the section of town mostly populated by gay people nearly untouched, what did it mean?

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