Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
2 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,913 Year: 4,170/9,624 Month: 1,041/974 Week: 368/286 Day: 11/13 Hour: 1/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Could mainstream christianity ever make peace with gay people?
teen4christ
Member (Idle past 5829 days)
Posts: 238
Joined: 01-15-2008


Message 11 of 263 (452453)
01-30-2008 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Rahvin
01-30-2008 10:28 AM


Rahvin writes
quote:
The Bible is also explicitly anti-interracial mingling, anti-interfaith marriage, anti-women, and anti-shellfish.
Oh...and anti-geology, anti-biology, anti-physics, and generally anti-science.
See, the problem, or rather the source of the problem, lies in the fact that passages in the bible can be interpreted in anyway you want it to be. Christians in general are not ignoring those passages that were once used to enslave Africans and oppress women. These passages are just read in a different light. You'd be amazed to see how capable people are at rationalizing the scripture to make it fit currently accepted moral views.
The best rationalization of one of the passages in the scripture that I've ever heard was made by Pat Robertson on the Israelites' genocidal campaign against the Canaanites. He said something like if the Canaanites were left alone they would have multiplied and all their descendants would have gone to hell and that by exterminating them the Isralites spared countless people in the future from the torment of hell. It sounds scary, but if you think about it he had a point there. If I know I'm going to hell and all my descendants will also go to hell, I'd rather end my line right here right now.
quote:
To take an example from a recent thread: the Bible explicitly states that women are to remain silent in church. 200 years ago or so, this may have been obeyed, but would even the most looney fringes of Christianity try to push that one any longer? Society's morals have changed, and so have the teachings of the mainstream church.
I think you are referring to that thread about superiority where I quoted the whole chapter of 1 Cor. Strangely enough, I haven't heard anyone try to rationalize that particular passage yet. It will be interesting to see how ICANT explain that in light of our modern view of women.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 6 by Rahvin, posted 01-30-2008 10:28 AM Rahvin has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 16 by Rahvin, posted 01-30-2008 1:33 PM teen4christ has not replied
 Message 18 by molbiogirl, posted 01-30-2008 3:53 PM teen4christ has replied

  
teen4christ
Member (Idle past 5829 days)
Posts: 238
Joined: 01-15-2008


Message 22 of 263 (452601)
01-30-2008 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by molbiogirl
01-30-2008 3:53 PM


molbiogirl writes
quote:
You believe in a literal hell?
At this point in my life, I don't know.
quote:
And, if you were convinced that you were going to hell, you would commit suicide?
Nope. When I said I'd rather end my line right here right now, I meant signing up to go to Iraq or something. Or get a vasectomy ASAP.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 18 by molbiogirl, posted 01-30-2008 3:53 PM molbiogirl has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 26 by molbiogirl, posted 01-31-2008 12:24 AM teen4christ has not replied

  
teen4christ
Member (Idle past 5829 days)
Posts: 238
Joined: 01-15-2008


Message 68 of 263 (455901)
02-14-2008 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Rahvin
02-14-2008 11:03 AM


Re: Lost and Confused
Rahvin writes
quote:
This is how gay people feel when Christians start talking about homosexuality being a sin. They remember all of the violence and hatred.
I don't think someone like iano will ever understand this. It's hard for them to understand especially when they've never been on the receiving end of hate.
quote:
So let's take something else you could never choose - blood type. Let's say some imaginary group has the belief that a specific blood type is sinful, and that blood type happens to be yours. They say "we don't hate you, we only want you to stop having that blood type, because it is sinful." Let's say that this group not only shuns you for your "unwillingness" to change your blood type, but some more extreme members of the group have killed people with your blood type for no other reason. Every day you hear on the news about people with your blood type being discriminated against, and in you own town you know that if anyone finds out about your blood type, you could be beaten, raped, or worse. Your rights are restricted - you are only allowed to marry people of the same blood type, and this is called "fair" because the rules apply to everyone - you simply have a specific set of people you are allowed to marry. never mind if you fall in love with someone with a different blood type. You keep your blood type secret, hoping to avoid all of the unfair treatment, and secretly ashamed of the fact that you can't change your blood type - it's part of who and what you are.
Or you could use a much better example like left-handedness. For literally thousands of years, left-handed people were viewed as abnormal and downright sinful. Children that happened to be left-handed were systematically disciplined and beatened to "cure" them of left-handedness.
I have an asian friend who told me that when he was little in his home country his teacher beat his left hand so hard that he couldn't use it at all. He was forced to start writing with his right hand. Nowadays, he writes with his right hand, but he does everything else with his left hand. This was in a catholic school.
Catholicism in many parts of the world still teaches that left-handedness is a sin. If you live in an Islamic country and you're left-handed, god help you.
You should ask iano if he is left handed or right handed. Ask him when he decided to be either. Ask him what he would think if someone else's religion begins to preach that which ever handed he is is a sin. Ask him how he would feel if his friends who happen to be left-handed or right-handed frequently get beaten because of it.
With that said, I honestly don't know how someone who could claim to believe in Christ go around spreading hate speech like iano.
Edited by teen4christ, : No reason given.

http://millionfagmarch.com/
Date: March 30, 2008
Time: 11:00 AM
Where: Westboro Baptist Church, Topeka, KS
Requirements: This is not a “gay-only” event. Just come with the ability to send a message to the WBC and Fred Phelps that intolerance is unacceptable.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 67 by Rahvin, posted 02-14-2008 11:03 AM Rahvin has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 72 by Creationista, posted 02-14-2008 2:30 PM teen4christ has not replied

  
teen4christ
Member (Idle past 5829 days)
Posts: 238
Joined: 01-15-2008


Message 257 of 263 (462792)
04-09-2008 1:19 PM


Um, Rrhain and Iano, how long are you guys going to keep this "is too is not" thing going?
As a suggestion, iano, since you're the one that is claiming the positive in this situation, could you perhaps offer a specific example from the bible to break this cycle that you guys are stuck in?

Replies to this message:
 Message 258 by iano, posted 04-09-2008 1:33 PM teen4christ has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024