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Parasomnium
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Message 81 of 164 (151312)
10-20-2004 5:48 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by crashfrog
10-19-2004 12:13 PM


Rhrain writes:
It has to do with the fact that we're in the subjunctive mood through the use of the word "does."
Crashfrog writes:
The presence of the infinitive "have" in Lam's second phrase implies, to me, that it is an auxillary verb to the main verb "does."
You are both wrong, though Crashfrog has almost got it right. Lam's sentence has nothing to do with subjunctive mood. If he would ask about God's taste for cheese instead of his having free will, he might ask: "Likes God cheese?". But that would not be the right way to phrase it. In proper English, to change "God likes cheese" into a question, the auxiliary verb 'to do' is used, and the question becomes: "Does God like cheese?". You will notice that the third person form has been transfered to the auxiliary verb 'does', and the verb 'like' (which, incidentally, is not the auxiliary, but indeed the main verb of the sentence, since it carries its meaning), has lost its 's', to become the infinitive form. Back to the question of God's free will: 'Does' is the auxiliary verb that changes the somewhat odd "Has God free will?" (though, admittedly, less odd than "Likes God cheese?") into the more familiar form "Does God have free will?".

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Message 93 of 164 (152713)
10-25-2004 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Rrhain
10-25-2004 3:56 AM


Re: Less vs. Fewer
Rrhain writes:
Nope..."fewer than ten dollars" and "fewer than five miles." Those things are plural and require the use of "fewer." I agree that quite a lot of people use "less," but they're wrong. Everything in that utterance is plural, so you need to use "fewer."
I don't agree. 'Ten dollars' is a measure of the more or less continuous quantity 'price'. 'Five miles', likewise, is a measure of the continuous quantity 'distance'. If people say "It's less than five miles from A to B", then they don't necessarily mean that it's exactly four, three, two, one or zero miles. They are not talking about numbers of miles, they are talking about distance, the magnitude of which is expressed in terms of miles. In short, they mean something like "It's about 4.95 miles".

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Message 101 of 164 (153347)
10-27-2004 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Rrhain
10-27-2004 4:28 AM


Re: Less vs. Fewer
Sometimes a rule is its own exception, Rrhain. I dare you to go to a florist and ask them for a nice bunch of flowers for "fewer than ten dollars". Let the flowers be a consolation for the blank stares.
[Edited to change "it's" to "its", so as not to detract from the point made.]
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Message 103 of 164 (153357)
10-27-2004 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by Nighttrain
10-27-2004 10:07 AM


Re: Less vs. Fewer
Well spotted, nighttrain. Pity you didn't document you own edits, because now we are kept in the dark about the reasons for a noose with your name on it.

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Message 114 of 164 (153437)
10-27-2004 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by MrHambre
10-27-2004 1:04 PM


Re: Less vs. Fewer
MrHambre, your "Don't you know nothing?" makes me suspect you're joking, but the pointe somehow eludes me. English isn't my native language, so, by all means, feel free to instruct me.

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Message 128 of 164 (153575)
10-28-2004 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by MrHambre
10-27-2004 4:50 PM


Re: New English Lessons
You are thanked, MrHambre. 'Passive voice' has been looked up by me and it's now understood what you mean. The construction is being tried out extensively and the clumsiness is shown clearly. Something new is learned everyday.

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