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Author Topic:   The Case Against the Existence of God
sidelined
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Message 27 of 301 (301548)
04-06-2006 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by robinrohan
04-06-2006 11:25 AM


robinrohan
If God does not exist, then presumably our morality is subjective. And if our morality is subjective, my judgment that life involves innocent suffering and is therefore immoral on God's part would also be subjective and therefore meaningless.
NO. You fail to complete the transition to full atheist scholarship rr.
Meaningless is a term you can only use as it pertains to your illusion that morality is objective. When you realize that morality is a construct of your own personal view augmented by interaction with other people in society as a means of benefit to yourself as well as others then you can understand that the universe does not have meaning in the sense that it has a directional purpose.
However, that said, it is nonetheless possible to give meaning to your life on a subjective level by defining to yourself a set of criteria to which you will adhere.
The tricky part of living life is to realize that other people do not necessarily hold the same criteria as you do regarding morality and this is perfectly consistent in a world where there are no set boundaries to the actions you may produce.
You are free to always do whatever you wish bounded only by the fact that your actions can affect other people and their actions toward you.So the interplay between people and each other,people and the world, cumultively produce the world you see before you.
Order springs forth because of the restraints we place upon one another not because there is a force demanding certain actions be adhered to. Thus we may have evil, we may have good ,we may have necessary evil and unneccessary good , not to mention neutrality and chaos.
Now if you will excuse me I must return to my Dungeons and Dragons game. Now where is that wizard when you need...

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Message 42 of 301 (301589)
04-06-2006 2:01 PM
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04-06-2006 12:23 PM


robinrihan
Translation: For practical reasons, let's pretend that life has meaning and let's pretend that our morals are real. In the short time we have on this earth, there's not a lot else we CAN do.
It is not pretense at all. It is dealing with reality as we individually see fit. This makes perfect sense since it allows for any point of view to be implemented by people. Thus we have those societies that differ from our own and we have thousands of different interests to which not all agree are meaningful but that which some do, some do not.

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