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Topic: The beginning of the jihad in Europe?
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 30 of 301 (257762)
11-08-2005 11:12 AM
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Reply to: Message 29 by randman
11-08-2005 10:59 AM
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Re: Why the Islamic world, and not the Christian one
The fact of the matter is Christians were the ones that challenged establishment thinking in the arena of liberty, specifically arguing for religious liberty for centuries,... Tell that to the Jews of Spain in 1542 that were rescued from Christian persecution by the Islamic world. Tell that to the Christians of Constantinople that were slaughtered by their fellow Christian Europeans. Tell that to the Aztecs and Incas of South America. Tell that to the Chrerokee, Apache, Powhatans, Senaca and other American Indians. Tell that to the Hawaiians who had there land, language, culture and very Nation stolen by Reverend Dole.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 32 of 301 (257765)
11-08-2005 11:30 AM
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Reply to: Message 31 by randman
11-08-2005 11:14 AM
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Re: Why the Islamic world, and not the Christian one
jar, funny how you left off the evangelical Christians slaughtered for centuries at the hands of the Roman Catholic heirarchy. Thanks for bringing that up. It provides the perfect segue to also bring up the slaughter of Roman Catholics slaughter by Protestants. And the slaughter, discrimination, oppression and deportation of Jews throughout Christian Europe all the way into the 20 th. Century.
Coupled with the fact you claim or are a "Christian", one wonders if there is some sort of self-loathing involved. One might wonder that, if one is incapable of reading what I have posted over my stay here at EvC. But that is simply wrong and a classic tactic of those who are incabale or unwilling to deal with rationality or objective reason, who approach everything with a preconceived opinion and will maintain that opinion regardless of the facts. And looking a history, the fact is that no movement has ever been as violent, intolerant, despotic and destructive as Christianity. I would be failing as a Christian if I did not acknowledge its failings as well as its successes.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 34 of 301 (257768)
11-08-2005 11:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 33 by randman
11-08-2005 11:38 AM
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Thank's for yet another segue
What sect did Rev. Dole belong to? Why were the WHITE Southern Baptist Churches the pulpits spouting hate and intolerance during my days in the civil rights movement in the South? Why is the only Openly Gay Bishop in the Episcopal Church? Why is the message of intolerance that is being preached today coming from the Evangelical Community?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 40 of 301 (257792)
11-08-2005 1:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 38 by randman
11-08-2005 12:57 PM
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Re: Thank's for yet another segue
randman, your post is simply yet another attempt by you to draw things off topic, change the goalposts and a failure to address anything others post, and considering that this discussion has little to do with the OP, as weak as it is, I'm simply going to write you off once more. Enjoy.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 112 of 301 (258168)
11-09-2005 2:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 111 by Philip
11-09-2005 2:46 PM
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Re: CS's Anti-Tolerationalistic Stance
1) Such tolerationalism might ultimately kill tolerationalists and *innocents* (Evos, YECs, Islamics, and whatever). How?
2) Would the blood of those innocents be upon extreme tolerationalists (like Crashfrog and/or myself) as well? (I don’t know?) Why?
3) Excellent LAW (like the law of Moses) seems ultimately required to address such lawlessness *at home*: I.e., driving out the lawless aliens, stopping oil-trade with the aliens abroad, destroying all feasible levels of contact with those aliens (militarily), etc. Excellent law like eating shrimp is and abomination and making it illegal to wear wool-rich clothes?
4) Repeatedly *Turning the other cheek and martyring our families to murderers* (like the Anabaptist law of Christ) only invites Islamic terrorists to continue persecuting our children. How is that related in any way to the topic under discussion?
5) Teach our children the abomination of Easter-Islamic religion. Sounds pretty silly to me. Is there some reason why people should not study Islam?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 137 of 301 (258310)
11-09-2005 9:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 127 by Philip
11-09-2005 6:54 PM
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Re: CS's Anti-Tolerationalistic Stance
Note: Are you proposing that children be taught Moslem/Ishtar hate-religion *at school*; that this might help protect those children from Moslem jihad? Well, there is no such thing as Moslem/Ishtar hate-religion and perhaps if kids were taught about Islam in school maybe folk wouldn't make as stupid a mistake as saying something like "Moslem/Ishtar hate-religion". But hell, I'd be happy if Evangelicals and Fundamentalists knew something about Christianity.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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But i guess you figure there should have been 23 Arab states and not even a sliver of a state for the jews, despite being there thousands of years before the arabs. Just where do you get the idea that the Jews were in the area thousands of years before the Arabs? Did you think that it was Jews that built Jericho 9-10,000 years ago?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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If possible, please support that.
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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LOL That too would be nice. But my guess is that he'll want to play moving definitions again. What a complete waste of time. I wish now I had not even bothered posting.
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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I'm sorry CS but the content of your posts has simply been more and more bullshit tempered by bigotted messages from the day you arrived here. Arabs is not synonymous with Muslim. To say that the first Arabs moved into that area after 700AD simply shows incredible ignorance.
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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And, needless to say Arab is not synonomous with muslim. Where have i ever said otherwise? When you made the absolutly rediculous statement that Arabs only entered the middle east after 700AD.
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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once again, CanadianSteve tries to play moving definitions as predicted
CanadianSteve writes: I did not say when they entered the middle east, but Israel and other land areas in the region, for which i provided historical citations. What the hell do you think the Middle East is? For God's sake, how far do you think it is from Israel to Damascus? Who do you think was in that area? I'm sorry Steve but you and randman are simply not worth bothering with. Have a nice day.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 260 of 301 (258832)
11-11-2005 11:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 256 by Philip
11-11-2005 11:22 AM
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Possible solutions
- begin bringing Imams in to teach your kids.
- stop using nonsense phrases like you do to describe Islam.
- realize the the GOD you worship is the very same GOD the Muslims worship.
- begin trying to get bigotry out of your life. Get out and fight for Gay Rights.
- pack you family up and visit your local Mosque. Ask them to teach you and your kids about Islam. And listen, listen like a child.
- boycott and speak out against the Christian Jihad as being led by the 700 Club and other such Hate Groups.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 263 of 301 (258846)
11-11-2005 12:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 262 by Silent H
11-11-2005 12:40 PM
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Re: Possible solutions
some other thread my friend.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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