Having it both ways (Chinese abortion policy & Pro-choice/life considerations)

Maybe someone already answered this but...The pro-choice movement is about giving women the option to end an unwanted pregnancy and/or to allow women to save their own lives when threatened by a pregnancy which threatens their health.The pro-choice movement, while not specifically asking the details about the thought making processes, generally doesn't expect people to be using abortion as a means of sex selection.The "typical", though hypothetical, abortion candidate in the mind's eye of the pro-choice crowd is the 17 year old girl who's gotten pregnant by accident, doesn't want to derail schooling in order to have this child. 2nd to this would be the woman with eight kids who just can't afford to have another, etc.They don't imagine the woman, pressured by her culture to produce a male child, who's aborting her 4th pregnancy because yet again it's a girl. It's not a part of American society, so it's not a part of our mindset when considering American policy.As for hypocracy, who knows. Personally, I don't think American policy makers should consider Chinese cultural biases when considering how we write our laws - particularly those laws which aren't related to trade with China.If they Chinese have a problem with overcrowding and lack of resources and they believe they have a solution, who are we to tell them their solution is wrong?As it stands now, the "pro-choice" "pro-life" crowd simply breaks down into "Pro-sexual freedom" "pro-repression".And yet the "pro-repression" crowd somehow thinks they have the moral highground. Hypocracy abounds.

Ha ha! You are "right" that I've avoided using it. That is because we are comparing the societies of the United States and China.American "rights" are not the same as Chinese "rights". We can not impose our cultural biases on them, nor should we accept their cultural biases imposed on us.As for "Human Rights", which is the inevitable next step in this conversation, I don't believe that we can completely disentangle the hypothetical human from the cultures in which they exist.

I spotted at least 6 articles that we ourselves are violating while couldn't find any article which pertain directly to PRC's tax laws.Like I said, we should not impose our standards upon them, they should not impose their standards upon us.If Canada, who to the best of my knowledge isn't violating any of the articles, wants to scold the US or China, they at least have the moral authority to do so.

I think I wasn't clear enough with this sentence."who are we to tell them they are wrong."I don't mean that we don't have the right to "tell" them, as in, we should not communicate our displeasure.I mean, we don't have the right to enforce change upon as a nation as a result of our displeasure.If a non governmental organization wants to organize boycotts of company which do business with China because of these issues, and that in turn leads to change in China, more power to them.I just think that we have a kettle/pot situation going when we hold ourselves out to be the morality police while in turn violating human rights all over the place.

And how exactly to they control this? This is faulty logic. Just because you live in Taiwan does not mean that you are a moral person. You could be a child rapist and still live there. Meanwhile, just because I live in the US does not mean that I am no-account. It simply means that there are more idiots here than smart people.

A bit of a tangent here, but notice that pro-lifers say "abortion is murder" but they also say "it's okay to abort in cases of rape."Can you think of any other crimes in which we don't execute the fathers but do execute their children?What's the difference between a fetus conceived through rape and one conceived through consentual sex? The difference is, the woman who chooses to have sex has done something "bad".It's total hypocracy on the pro-life side.But back to the other stuff... I agree completely that there is "some kind of pressure" going on here. The question is, is the pressure coming from the Government or from the society?We have pressures in our own society. "Women should have babies in their 20s to mid 30s" or "the perfect family is 2 kids" or "single women shouldn't have children", etc. etc. etc.Some of these pressures are stronger than others. The pressures in China may be stronger than the examples I gave, but if they are societal pressures they are no more valid or invalid than the ones we experience.If women here are having abortions because they don't want to have kids at a young age, or because they aren't married, etc. that is no better than abortions in China over the babies sex.

How is it interfering with the woman's right to choose? China is not rounding up pregnant women and forcing them to have abortions.They have put into effect a series of penalties and incentives which make it finacially hard to have more than one child. But that's still a choice.People keep saying "China is making people do this or that" but I have yet to hear anything concrete from anyone about exactly what China is doing that's so wrong.China has a problem. And it's not just China's problem, it's the world's problem.If the Chinese continued to have kids at the rate they've been having children over the last 100 years or so, they would become radically over populated. Overpopulation yields starvation, war, disease, polution, etc. None of these things give a damn about lines on a map - problems in China will very quickly become problems in Korea, Russia, etc.

That's a load of crap.The debate is not - "I LOVE abortions!" vs "I HATE abortions!"There isn't a "pro abortion" group. However, there most definitely is a "Anti-choice" group.There isn't an "anti-life" group, but it's interesting to note that the "pro-life" group isn't particularly bothered by the idea of aborting innocent fetuses in the case of rape.Why is that? Could it be because a rape victom is not a "filthy slut" like the other women seeking abortions?Can you name ANY other crime in which we are willing to execute the child of the criminal? Why should be behave that way with rape? If abortion is murder, then the fetus brought about by rape is not more deserving of murder than the child of a bank robbery.The deeper you dig, the more you see what the issues are really about.The far right doesn't like sex, they don't like freedom and they especially don't like women.

You make this sound like the options are a) China is a big meanie, or b) everyone lives in Candyland.If Chinese families continued along the path they had been continuing, having many many children, then Chinese population (already beyond it's own food supply - they import food), would reach a point of collapse which would be more than just financially devastating for people. We're talking starvation. We're talking about a famine wiping out billions of people.There are times when, for one reason or another, people's individual behavior is literally a danger to the whole and someone has to step in and stop them.In the case of China, it's the Government. And frankly, they are doing it in a much less invasive way than they could. They could me forcable sterilizing every third person born in the country. They could be do manditory pregnancy testing, then disappearing the positive results.