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Author Topic:   Having it both ways (Chinese abortion policy & Pro-choice/life considerations)
Taz
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Message 15 of 59 (397301)
04-25-2007 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by macaroniandcheese
04-21-2007 2:23 PM


brennakimi writes:
not to mention a potential army of unattached 8 million chinese men who could easily be drafted and sent out to war with who increases their level of frustration.
A very good friend of mine who lived in china for many years told me that the extent of male-female unbalanced ratio is often misunderstood. Yes, on the official papers there are indeed many millions more males than females. However, one has to actually live there to know that there are literally many millions of unregistered females. Why? With the one child policy, a family has to (1) find out if it's male or female and abort if it's female, (2) somehow kill the baby girl and proclaim death at birth, or (3) just don't register the baby girl and hide the fact that you've given birth at all.
Most people in China can't afford to have ultrasound find out the sex of the unborn child. Most people would at least feel uneasy killing their own child. With China's population still being overwhelmingly farmers and peasants, not having the authority know that you've given birth is a relatively easy thing to do. Choice 3, therefore, is the logical choice for most people.
But as riverrat suggested, since all chinese people are going to hell anyway for not being christian (I'm joking here) there's nothing for them to lose so they should just turn gay...

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Taz
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Message 24 of 59 (397579)
04-26-2007 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by riVeRraT
04-26-2007 4:07 PM


Having gay sex does not necessarily make you gay.
Who knows, maybe they will all evolve, and start reproducing out of the anus or something.
I don't know if youre trying to be funny, sarcastic, or serious, I'm going to preemptive strike. This isn't how evolution work.
For example, if you flap your arms to try to fly and your children and children's children all do the same thing, you guys are still not going to be able to fly.

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Taz
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Message 28 of 59 (397646)
04-26-2007 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by riVeRraT
04-26-2007 11:38 PM


riverrat writes:
Are discovery and national geographic explorer...
Remember that they belong to a group of greedy americans called the media. They're going to do everything they can to get people to watch, and that includes giving out half-truths, presenting strawman, and adding "spices" to the information for better taste. If learning the right stuff is as easy as turning on the tv, I say all college professors should be burned alive for making the rest of us pay with our arms and legs to attend their classes and go through many sleepless nights trying to study and do homework problems.
Added by edit.
I might as well add to my rant.
If gay people indeed act like the way the media portrays gay people, do real straight people act like those idiots on Desperate Housewives?
Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : No reason given.

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Taz
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Message 30 of 59 (397649)
04-26-2007 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by kuresu
04-26-2007 11:46 PM


kuresu writes:
And we're getting quite off topic
This is the coffee house, meaning I can rant away all I want.
FREE TIBET!!!
{ABE by Adminnemooseus:
I have director status, so I can insert into this message:
Tazmanian Devil is a weenie!
Now, back to the real topic, which is abortion policy in China.}
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.

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Taz
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Message 48 of 59 (399225)
05-04-2007 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Hyroglyphx
05-04-2007 12:45 PM


nj writes:
I an asking if it is morally wrong to abort more female's than male's. If so, why? Being that proponents of abortion believe that a fetus is a non-human-- a collocation of well-formed molecules at most-- what difference does it make if the fetus is male or female?
I don't think anyone here has made the argument that it is morally wrong to force women to abort more females than males.
The point of liberal's opposition to force abortion is that the state is controling the woman's choice here. Notice how it's only you people that call us pro-abortion crowd while we try to describe ourselves as pro-choice?
Look, I don't like abortion. I think life begins at the point when the sperm meets the egg. I think the fetus should have every human rights there are. If you want to know why I'm a pro-choicer even though I believe these things, I'll explain again for the millionth time. But for now, rest assured that I am not, and neither is anyone else, trying to argue that it is more wrong to abort baby girls than baby boys. The issue whether the state should have control over its citizens' bodies.

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He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!

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