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robinrohan
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Message 30 of 123 (275695)
01-04-2006 9:46 AM


Betrayal
She does go on rather, doesn't she? Good grief! I read in it and then skipped to the end. I wanted to see what happened. She became an atheist and is now happier than she has ever been before. I love happy endings.
It seems to me that the crux of the matter is that she felt her husband betrayed her. I must say I'm not real crazy about her husband.

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robinrohan
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Message 35 of 123 (275758)
01-04-2006 12:40 PM
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01-04-2006 11:25 AM


Somehow I get the feeling that a few years from now she will return to religion.
I wonder if there is such a thing as a religious temperament.

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robinrohan
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Message 37 of 123 (275769)
01-04-2006 1:20 PM
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01-04-2006 12:52 PM


At the point I stopped reading I've concluded the opposite, but who knows, by the end I may have a different impression.
Well, I skipped a lot. After awhile all her soul-searching began to irritate me. I'm not the right audience for this type of thing.
The ending seemed rather strained to me--artificial.

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robinrohan
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Message 67 of 123 (276228)
01-05-2006 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Faith
01-05-2006 2:47 AM


Re: Finally got through it...
RR said he thought the ending was "artificial." You mean her little Parable of the Forest? I didn't read it carefully because I figured her point was already obvious, but I didn't see any of it as artificial myself.
And no, I don't think she'll ever go back. She's burned her bridges spiritually speaking.
My judgment was probably skewed because of my irritation with her longwindedness. It seemed like a lot of posturing to me. But that's an unfair statement because in any discussion of oneself it is difficult not to posture. It occurs to me now that a spiritual autobiography must be very difficult to write. She did a good job, all in all. And obviously she's intelligent.
Having said that, my impression after reading it--or part of it--was that she enjoys soul-searching far too much to give it up. Before too long, a still, small voice will start talking to her again. This is not to say that she is insincere, or no more than anyone else.

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robinrohan
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Message 68 of 123 (276237)
01-05-2006 9:56 PM
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01-05-2006 9:28 PM


Karen Armstrong
By the way, she mentions Karen Armstrong's spiritual autobiography. I don't know if you are familiar with her or not. She is a historian of religion. But in that book we see Karen Armstrong, an ex-nun, working her way back toward some sort of religious belief toward the end. Very good book.

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robinrohan
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Message 83 of 123 (276292)
01-06-2006 6:49 AM
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01-05-2006 11:00 PM


Re: Karen Armstrong
Which did you read? I get the impression she has arrived in the end at one of those vague New Agey religiosities that take bits from all the religions. Or make that a question: Is that the case?
I read The Spiral Staircase. Karen Armstrong is a scholar of religion. She knows a lot. I've also read some of her historical books about religion. However, "New Agey" might characterize her ideas to some extent. She gave up being a nun not because of disbelief but because of a nervous breakdown. Years later she found out she had epilepsy.
Some of her ideas are interesting, although any discussion of them is not appropriate here. But what I found that related to "Laura" is that Karen Armstrong is an incorrigible soul-searcher, in the good sense I suppose. Also, her life style has remained "nun-like" throughout her life. She couldn't get "God" off her mind, although this time He was a subject for research rather than an object of worship. And she started having these "religious" experiences in the midst of her studies--religion in a library, so to speak.
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robinrohan
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Message 88 of 123 (276512)
01-06-2006 8:19 PM
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01-06-2006 7:40 PM


Re: Karen Armstrong
Many similarities with Laura. It's an odd experience for me to read people who started out religious becoming atheists since it was completely the other way around for me, and all the arguments they use, the "insights" they think they've gained upon leaving their former life behind, seem pathetically empty to me -- artificial (speaking of artificial), contrived, completely unpersuasive -- so exactly what I was only too happy to leave behind
Okay, but the fact that she was a nun carries some weight.

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robinrohan
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Message 90 of 123 (276518)
01-06-2006 8:49 PM
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01-06-2006 8:47 PM


Re: Karen Armstrong
She went through a lot. She sacrificed for her beliefs.

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robinrohan
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Message 114 of 123 (276649)
01-07-2006 10:33 AM
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01-06-2006 9:47 PM


Re: Karen Armstrong
I don't see how her sacrificing for a few years confers any special authority on her.
"Authority," no. But she knows what's it like to have been a nun, so she can talk about that knowledgably. She knows what's it like to attempt to become worldly, and to fail. That's interesting. It supports my contention that some people have an unworldly, religious nature no matter what their beliefs at the time. That's my view of Armstrong, and I suspect the same of Laura.
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robinrohan
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Message 115 of 123 (276650)
01-07-2006 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by nator
01-06-2006 11:33 PM


Re: Karen Armstrong
Epileptics, particularly temporal lobe epileptics, are known to often be hyper-religious people. I wonder if Armstrong is one of them?
In point of fact, Armstrong discusses this in the book.

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robinrohan
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Message 117 of 123 (276798)
01-07-2006 8:31 PM
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01-07-2006 7:05 PM


Re: Karen Armstrong
Also I'm not sure exactly what drew her into the convent. I poked around in that part of the book and it seemed to me she had rather more negative than positive reasons for becoming a nun, some feeling she needed the discipline, would lose track of God if she didn't, and finally as a sort of last straw if I read it right, had a mixed reaction of envy and loathing to the discovery of her friend Suzie's make-out session with her cousin Anthony. As I said, maybe I didn't read this section carefully enough and you can clarify her motives.
Faith, you have to read the book and pick up on the personality. This is a very religious person.

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