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Message 10 of 66 (272256)
12-23-2005 9:09 PM

Reply to: Message 6 by Funkaloyd
12-23-2005 5:20 PM

Re: Activist judges - and blatant falsehoods.

I notice that this was posted with the 10 commandments, presumably as the "explanation" or justification of the display:

The Ten Commandments have profoundly influenced the formation of
Western legal thought and the formation of our country. That influence is clearly seen in the Declaration of Independence, which declared that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." The Ten Commandments provide the moral background of the Declaration of Independence and the foundation of our legal tradition.

(color mine for emPHAsis).

"Clearly seen??" WHERE??? I don't see any reference to the 10 commandments in the DOI at all ... clearly this is stretching well beyond the truth to make a point that does not in fact stand to honest scrutiny. Clearly this is a groundless assertion that is more wishful fancy than fact. Clearly this is misrepresentation of the truth.

Why does the truth need to be misrepresented?

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Message 29 of 66 (272488)
12-24-2005 2:25 PM

Reply to: Message 16 by Funkaloyd
12-24-2005 4:24 AM

Re: Activist judges - and blatant falsehoods.

I think they are playing fast and loose with the facts, and that doing so is usually an indication that a scam of some kind is in progress.

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Message 30 of 66 (272489)
12-24-2005 2:28 PM

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12-24-2005 5:54 AM

Re: Activist judges - and blatant falsehoods.

Now, why would they completely ignore the second sentence there?

Um, because it doesn't fit the radical fundamentalist activist agenda?

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Message 42 of 66 (272635)
12-25-2005 1:47 PM

Reply to: Message 34 by Rrhain
12-24-2005 9:16 PM

New Governments

The United States is one of the few democracies in the world without a Parliament (and off the top of my head, I can't think of another.) It's quite telling that of all the talk we've had about "spreading democracy" to other nations, not once have we ever established an American form of government. It's always been parliamentary. We just established a parliament in Iraq.

I've noted that before.

For those who think the US style government is the best in the world, it is curious that not more is said about the forms of government the Botch Administration is busy setting up in Afghanistan and Iraq -- if we are truly concerned with establishing freedom and democracy and the great american way eh?

What is truly curious is that no real thought has gone into developing any improved system beyond either the US or a parilamentary system.

I would think this would be something the UN could develop, knowing that new governments will be created, that dictatorships will fall and leave a vacuum -- why not have a model govenment that could be adapted? Or have we really plumbed the depths of forms of government and this is all there is?

ps -- you could consider the Congress to be a parliamentary body, complete with their own selected leader, just that he has no authority outside congress. You could also consider the Senate to be similar to the House of Lords in the way they represent the states. The division of power is more about having redundant mechanisms (checks and balances) than about the actual kind of body - and the way it is run - involved in the process of making and enforcing laws, and the real difference is having the President independent of the {Congress\Senate}.

I don't think the Judiciary is sufficiently independent from the executive branch however.

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