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Author Topic:   Ruling: No Separation of Church and State?
jar
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Message 39 of 66 (272612)
12-25-2005 11:12 AM
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12-25-2005 12:25 AM


Re: Parliamentary systems
Okay. Assume you impeach, try and convict the President and Vice-President. Then you would have Hassert as President. Next is Ted Stevens, then Conddie Rice.
Not a great prospect.

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jar
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Message 45 of 66 (272665)
12-25-2005 5:10 PM
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12-25-2005 2:14 PM


OT
No, enlighten me.

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jar
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Message 47 of 66 (272670)
12-25-2005 5:42 PM
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12-25-2005 5:25 PM


Re: OT
Actually, no one. Reagan was in the hospital and Bu$h senior was in Texas at the time. He returned to Washington but was in contact at all times. Authority remained with President Reagan though and was never devolved to Bu$h.
To return to the thread topic though, President Reagan did respect the separation of church and state and only asked that his surgeons be Republicans.

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jar
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Message 53 of 66 (273188)
12-27-2005 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Silent H
12-26-2005 6:40 AM


Re: Okay let's move back on topic
IMHO after reading the transcript of the opinion, this particular case was resolved correctly.
In this particular case it really does look like the Ten Commandments was simply incidental to a larger body of work, and that the overall body of work was not meant to further one particular point of view over all others.
However, the additional wording of the opinion is troubling and for that reason, I hope there is additional review. I would like to see the outcome stand, in regard to the display itself, but believe the reasoning outlined in the decision is spurious.
I hope that under review the decision is upheld but the logic and wording of the decision is changed.

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Message 55 of 66 (273205)
12-27-2005 11:03 AM
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12-27-2005 10:38 AM


Re: Okay let's move back on topic
From what I read at another courthouse there were a number of displays attempted which were flagrant violations. Each new display was altered slightly so as to skirt violation as much as possible, but keep the 10 commandments in there and somehow prominent. Finally one was arrived at where the Supreme Court chopped it mainly because of the history.
Correct as I read it.
The final display at the other courthouse was rejected based not on the content of the display but the history of the changes AND on the fact that the changes were made before being reviewed even though a review procss was established. At least that is how I read the transcript.
But this is a different county and a different incident.
So then another court takes essentially that same last display and puts it up, and then argues it shouldn't be judged in violation because it was the first display for THAT courthouse and so should not be judged based on another courthouse's history.
I agree that the second courthouse should not the judged based on the history of the first courthouse.
As far as the display itself it is still rather clearly an attempt to promote religion, and not much (if anything) to do with the formation of our government and laws.
From what I could gather from the transcript, the display is pretty sophomoric. Frankly, it sounds more like what one would expect from a sixth or seventh grade social studies project.
There is NO connection between the 10 commandments and our govt or laws.
And there I disagree slightly. IMHO the purpose of both the 1st. and the 14th. Amendments were to minimize the very great influence that Christianity, and particularly the different interpretations of Christianity that were so much a part of the culture of the period.
The fact that the congress signed a treaty stating we are NOT FOUNDED on Xianity and Xian principles, makes that whole display (and the 10 commandments plaque) a fraud or lie, and so beyond the pale for being in a courthouse where perjury is supposed to be a crime.
IIRC that Treaty was later repealed.
I do believe that the US was founded in spite of Christian principles but I think one of the biggest issues is that we simply do a lousy job of teaching history.

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