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Omnivorous
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Message 241 of 304 (414121)
08-02-2007 8:46 PM


Itchy Trigger Finger?
The recent 24 hour suspension of brenna and spidey for being too chatty seems a bit much, esp. without any moderator warning.
They were, after all, discussing the difficulties of dealing with a specific creationist in the context of a topic concerning what makes a good creationist interlocutor.
You can find a dozen examples of chat in the current top ten topics, but no suspensions for it.
Was there something peculiarly odious about this instance?
Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.

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Message 284 of 304 (415908)
08-12-2007 9:38 PM


"GENERAL DISCUSSION..."
AdminPD writes:
Discussion in this thread is restricted to original complainants and moderators.
Huh? Since when?
Edited by Omnivorous, : SUBTITLE

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Message 296 of 304 (416174)
08-14-2007 10:23 AM
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08-13-2007 8:49 AM


AdminPD writes:
Since the Berberry-Nem fiasco.
That's quite an overreaction. There are ways to cope with inappropriate posts short of shutting down general discussions of moderation procedures and actions.
Reasonably, when a complaint is lodged concerning an admin action, the moderator in question is the only one who can answer why the action was taken. The moderator and the complainant deserve a chance to resolve the issue.
Okay.
If you want to take the title literally, it says general discussion of moderation procedures, not complaints about moderator actions.
Since it functions as a complaint thread, there needed to be some adjustments made to allow complaints to be resolved and not trampled by other agendas.
The ingenious post-and-reply mechanism at EvC allows any two people to conduct a conversation regardless of the texts around their exchanges. How can complaints be trampled by other agendas?
If you have a suggestion for a better method, please present it.
No change was necessary. This thread is the only place where members are allowed to discuss moderator procedures and actions, and every member has an interest in maintaining access to that discussion.
Moderators have the power to suspend posters, to limit their access to threads, and to close threads. Given those options, I don't see why misbehavior in this thread need be handled any differently than the same misbehavior in any other thread.
So my suggestion for a better method is for moderators to do their jobs with the powerful tools they have. Censorship and silencing are neither productive nor justified.

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Omnivorous
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Message 299 of 304 (416226)
08-14-2007 7:19 PM
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08-14-2007 11:48 AM


AdminPD writes:
General discussion isn't shut down. You posted a concern.
True. I posted my concern about being told I should not post about my concern. Telling me I should have no concern about that because I posted my concern anyway is a bit circular, I think. True, though, and that counts.
I'm not sure being made invisible is much better than being erased, and I did not realize certain posts remained beneath that cloack until I saw your reference to invisibility.
I do like your revised wording because I think we all benefit from multiple perspectives on moderation issues, and this thread is the only venue for that. It would be a loss to all if it became merely a complaint department.
Thank you for responding to my concerns.

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Message 300 of 304 (416227)
08-14-2007 7:22 PM
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08-14-2007 10:40 AM


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