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catapam
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Message 46 of 109 (103030)
04-27-2004 9:41 AM


Who create early human beings?
Hi!
I’m from Romania and I have a question for you.
Recently because of genetics and molecular biology, the scientist declare that Neanderthal Man is a different species from Homo sapiens sapiens (descendents of modern humans).
Evidence discover by archeologists show that Neanderthal man can handle fire, create and use tools, create clothes, create colored paintings on the walls of caves, buried their dead.
Even we reject genetics, only judging after the skulls or bones found by archeologists, we must admit that they look highly different from humans.
So we must conclude that they are an intelligent species different from humans.
Now, I want to ask you, in Creation theory, who create those intelligent species?

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catapam
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Message 55 of 109 (103355)
04-28-2004 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by RAZD
04-27-2004 11:35 PM


Re: Who create early human beings?
Read the first answer.
There you will find a better explanation from creation point of view.
The problem is that human and Neanderthals are different intelligent species.
Admitting that we can find a Neanderthal today, he can’t interbreed with human, as human can’t interbreed with chimps.
That has nothing to do with my sister or with my mother or with a person from Africa because we are the same.
So the question was, if GOD create us as intelligent species from HIS appearance, who create Neanderthal who are different?
scrap from an Internet encyclopedia:
Since the mid 1990 there has been a remarkable convergence of views about the evolution of hommo sapiens amongst paleoanthropologists, geneticists and molecular biologists.
This convergence is the subject of books such as Steve Olsen's Mapping Human History. This modern synthesis is also remarkable for its specificity. For example, there is strong scientific evidence supporting these conclusions:
around 2 to 2.5 million years ago, the genus.Homo first appeared;
about 7,500 generations have passed since the appearance of modern humans;
every person alive today is descended from a relatively small group of individuals living in Africa sometime between 100,000 and 200,000 years ago;
There is ongoing debate over whether "Neanderthal Man" was a separate species, Homo neanderthalensis. , or a subspecies of H. sapiens. While the debate remains unsettled, the preponderance of evidence, collected by examining mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosomal, currently indicates that there was no gene flow between H. neanderthalensis and H. sapiens, and therefore the two were separate species.
URL: Evolution of homo sapiens | Article about Evolution of homo sapiens by The Free Dictionary

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catapam
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Message 87 of 109 (103729)
04-29-2004 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by redwolf
04-28-2004 4:44 PM


Re: Who create early human beings?
for redwolf
There is a geological scale clearly establishes with many methods for investigation.
I am petroleum engineer. I produce oil from many fields. I choose now one of them for example:
- I found oil in: Triassic at 2200 meters, which is around 7260-ft depth
Jurassic at 1900 meters, that is around 6270-ft depth
Cretaceous at 1600 meters, that is around 5280-ft depth
Oligocene at 1200 meters, that is around 3960-ft depth
Miocene at 900 meters, that is around 2970-ft depth
Now I want to ask why we found old ancient things from Greeks or Romans buried in the ground?
Because of the cosmic dust and because of that the earth diameter increases in time.
How many meters we must dig for an ancient object (2000 - 3000 years old)? No more than few meters.
When I dig 2000 meters and I take sample from rocks that I found there, and in those rooks I can find petrified shells from prehistoric snails.
How long will take for cosmic dust to increase earth diameter with 7000 ft if that need few ft for 2000 years.
This scale u provide:
-600 onwards Iron Age
-900 onwards Bronze Age
-1400 beginning of modern man (Homo sapiens)
-1500 beginning of Neanderthal man
between -2000 and -1600 beginning of Erectus.
Are u serious, Do u thinks Erectus begin to live 2000 years ago and modern humans 1400 years ago?
So the apostles wasn’t modern humans and Moise live before the erectus, maybe he was an Australopithecine
I want to be perfectly clear now. I believe in GOD but not in what the people trying to defend like 6000 y.o. earth.
Few hundred years ago a man died in flames because he sustained that the earth is round.
People can search in Bible a set of moral rules and not a history book.
In your second answer u said:
Again, despite looking much like us, neanderthals were vastly different genetically.
Their DNA has been described as "about halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee",
cleanly eliminating them as a plausible ancestor for modern man
But as I already told and u agreed:
Evidence discover by archeologists show that Neanderthal man can handle fire, create and use tools, create clothes, create colored paintings on the walls of caves, buried their dead.
So in Bible I never read that GOD create another intelligent species, other than humans.
Adam understands that he is naked after he bit that apple from forbidden tree.
So the Neanderthal made clothes and dresses them.
Why? Because they never bite from that apple.
They buried their dead so they believe in an after life. Why? Who is their GOD?
Why our GOD let them disappear.
Maybe they were a preview creation and they wasn’t perfect.
If yes, means GOD didn’t create only perfect things.
Are we perfect? We are his creation.
The Eve wasn’t perfect because she cheat Adam. Adam wasn’t smart enough to reject that apple, so he wasn’t perfect too.
So maybe we are the next step.
Maybe we must disappear like Neanderthals and GOD will create the next intelligent creature most perfect than Neanderthal and Humans.
What do u thinks?
Sorry if my english isn’t so good but I’m from Romania.

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catapam
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Message 99 of 109 (104095)
04-30-2004 6:34 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by redwolf
04-29-2004 8:23 PM


Re: Who create early human beings?
You talk to much
We believe in micro-evolution but not in macro-evolution
Others said GOD create evolution and evolution create the man
Why we find today only a small part of species who live in past?
Where are dinosaurs, mammoths, cave bears, tigers with huge canines etc.?
There was many species of animals that disappear long away after the dinosaurs.
If you don’t believe me, watch Discovery channels
Why we don’t find skeletons from today animals (like a wolf, or a lion, or a modern tiger skeleton), in past?
All animals including human species appear, live a period of time than disappear.
This is in contradiction with a starting point (like in Creation theory).
If it was only a creation 6000 years ago majority of animals must live all the time.
Why we don’t find a dinosaur skeleton near a human skeleton?
In past we didn’t believe that earth is round but now we believe, we don’t believe in evolution but now believe in micro-evolution, tomorrow we will believe in medium evolution and so on.

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