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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 1485 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, Stile.
This would almost have to be a subjective determination, in my opinion. It would require the ability to know what would constitute enough evidence to convince you of the validity of Mormonism. So, if you were one of those sensitive/spiritual types, the merest thing (like the miracle of a sunny day) might constitute sufficient evidence of God. But, if you were one of those skeptical, scientific types I've been warned about at Church, more substantial evidence might be required before a chance was considered "legitimate." But, for the most part, we leave it up to God to make that determination, and just assume that it will somehow be worked out in the next life. -Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus) Darwin loves you.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Phage0070,
So are you saying that is a sin? If so what do you base your conclusion on? Since you don't believe in God what is the problem? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi jay,
Why won't the most horrfic people get to go to heaven? What did the ones that get to go do that the HP people did not do? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
"But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.
—Mark 3:29, NIV" I appears that you consider the Bible to be important and your god to be real, so it would follow that you consider this to be a sin. As I don't believe in God, I don't believe that "sin" exists.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Phage0070,
Lets see you don't believe in God, or that sin exists. Does your belief make it a fact that they don't exist? I'll let you in on a little secret you are not a Bible scholar either. Cursing God is not the event refered to in Mark 3:29, and carries no more penalty than a little white lie would. But if there is a God you don't want to die charged with the one in Mark 3:29. BTW that is when you commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Although it is possible to do earlier in your lifetime. You do know I believe in a God so I will warn you about that one, but you go ahead and do whatever your little mind decides to do. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Rahvin Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 3964 Joined: |
Does your belief in them make them exist? Certainly not.
That seems pretty clear to me, too - it's blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, not jsut God, that carries an unforgivable sin. But then, that opens up the debate regarding the trinity again, doesn't it? If the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all one God, why is a curse against one different from a curse against the others?
See, this just reeks of Pascal's Wager. "Don't insult my deity, because if you're wrong you'll go to Hell!" Clearly it's not quite the same (unless there's another deity out there who requires blasphemy against other deities). In any case, why bother hurling insults at fictitious entities? I've never cursed Santa Claus, or blasphemed against Athena.
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
Of course not, I don't believe they don't exist because there is a complete lack of evidence, and a high likelihood of their non-existence. I, as opposed to others, have no confusion over the order in that regard.
Ok, fine. Modify the statement to "Damn the Holy Spirit, damn it to Hell!" What real-world impact does that have if it is a sin? Don't try to wriggle out of this question.
Then you also know I don't care what your crazy little sect believes is or isn't God, or what will happen if I think ill of it.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Phage0070,
Sorry to disapoint you but you didn't get it right yet.There is only one unpardonable sin and you keep on living your life like you have so far. Keep telling yourself there is no God, no sin, no heaven and no lake of fire. And by the time your physical body expires you will have gotten it right. I believe in God so I don't mind talking about Him. But I have been told more that one time I was wasting time. Why do atheist like yourself spend so much of your life argueing about something you do not believe exists. Just bogles my mind.
I will remind you of this statement at some point in your future. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
It is a combination of a desire to help others, and a desire to correct wrongs in the world. So much waste and hardship is present in the world caused by religion, by belief in imaginary things, it is amazing. I argue because I truly believe you and your kind are holding back the development of humanity through willful ignorance.
Then point it out why don't you? I'm not going to play "20 Questions" to find out what every crackpot decides to imagine today.
Well that is rather vague.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 1485 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, ICANT.
Does "HP people" mean "horrific people people"? If you think everyone should o to heaven, why don't you teach that from the pulpit? -Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus) Darwin loves you.
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Stile Member Posts: 4034 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
Bonjour, Bleujay.
Not sure if anyone cares, but, personally, I do consider this answer a "pass" to my test. Although it's one of my least-favourite answers since it doesn't really answer the question. But, sometimes questions just aren't answerable
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 1485 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, ICANT.
I'm not an atheist, as you know. But, this shouldn't boggle your mind:
Disbelief in something is a very common and legitimate reason to argue about it. What else do you expect somebody to do but argue for what they perceive as truth? Edited by Bluejay, : Capitalization -Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus) Darwin loves you.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi jay,
The message you are replying to was not addressed to you. But I get your reasoning for wanting to answer it.
God is not taught in our schools and colleges as a fact. BBT is. But what makes you think I don't believe in Big Bang Cosmology? Maybe because I say I believe the universe has always existed in some form. That does not mean in the shape we see it today. Can you imagine what would take place if you had a big ball of energy and decided to create a universe out of it. All the things that would have to move and take place if spoken into existence in a nano second. All that energy would have to become other things, talk about inflation. I just don't believe the story that is being taught and I think I have proved that point. I have asked many questions that have been unanswered and will remain unanswered.
Most of them don't believe God did it either. If they did they would be serving Him rather than serving self.
Ah but false doctrine exists. But only a few is still putting up a fight.
Elijah probally wasted more time than any one else did. He spent a whole day making fun of a bunch of Baal's prophets and then the Children of Israel killed them when Baal would not accept their offering. But God accepted Elijah's.
Well said and I understand that. But looking at my statement to Phage0700 I still can't understand why someone who does not believe God exists would waste time arguing that He don't exist. If He doesn't exist at 70 years old I have a very short time left on earth. If that is all the time I have to exist then I would not waste one minute of it on anything. I would enjoy what time I have left. You see I believe God exists and I am going to spend eternity with Him so I got plenty of time left. So yes it boggles my mind. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi jay,
Didn't see this one.
I teach that everyone should go to heaven. God in the form of a man called Jesus died on the cross so everyone could go to heaven. All anyone has to do is accept God's offer of a free full pardon. I teach man gets to heaven because of God's unmerited favor. All mankind has to do is believe He will do what He says He will do. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6396 From: SSC Joined: |
Hi Phage0700,
I agree.
I agree, like Santa Clause. Do you know many people are still paying for the junk that has already made it to the dump.
Since you know very little about me you are making a broad statement. You only have an imaginary knowledge of what I believe and teach, and do. It is all in your imagination. If you care to know please send me an e-mail and we will talk about it but not here.
I have to you. It is found in John 3:18.
I meant it to be. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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