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But think of it, not like we're being forced to take care of you or others, but we're simply taking control of the money that would usually be kept by greedy fucks in Washington, and funneling it back into the community that it came from. Now, it can either go straight back to you (not really helping you out much due to it being a small %), or, it can accumulate as a sort of fund to help those in need. Either way the money is gone. Now either the gov can keep it, or people in need can use it.
What are you describing specifically?
Would you be cool with that? Theoretically. How's it going to work?
Ignoring *those people* LOL, would the system I'm suggesting above work in your opinion, and be fair? Ignoring the mojority of the people around me!? What community is the money going to be funneled back into then?
Careful... you'll have a Michael Richards moment.  I'm not just talking about black people (although they do seem to be the only ones with $200 herr-do's). There's plenty of white trash aroud here too.
but some aspects of a universal healthcare plan, if done properly, will actually benefit you in the long run. I'm not completely opposed to it... But which aspects will benefit me and how would they have to be done to be proper?
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Nothing yet. I'm just suggesting a system that allocates the money that would otherwise be pocketed by los politicos and using that to set up a universal-type healthcare system. Would you be for something like that? Remembering of course that the money is taken from you in either case.
I dunno, I suppose. What money are you talking about? My current taxes?
Well lets look at the bigger picture and not just isolated situations. I'm looking at my community. Whatever is happening in Califonia or New York doesn't really impact us very much.
I guess I should ask first, overall, do you believe people who can't afford healthcare are lazy freeloaders who are unwilling to get a job? What are we talking about here? $100/month? http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ Quotes as low as $36 a month. I dunno if I can believe that or not though.
I guess if you see everyone like that (not saying that you do) it's hard to convice people that others need help. You can't help people that aren't willing to help themselves.
I'm not just talking about black people (although they do seem to be the only ones with $200 herr-do's). There's plenty of white trash aroud here too. And spic-trash too, I know. It's not a race thing, but you seemed like you were going to a specific character, so I called you on it. Its just cause I know a Pharmacist who bitches about all the black people comming in using Medicaid cards when they've got gold jewelry and fabulous herr. There's not a lot of white or spic trash in the area they work so... yeah, whatever. I was just describing something I was familiar with.
That's the crux of the issue, IMO. How in fact can it be done properly? I have no idea. I'm just opposed to the idea, in general, of perpetuating these poeples' lack of desire to help themselves by giving them more free shit... especially if I'm going to be legislated to pay for it. And that's my biggest beef here.
Nothing currently is being suggested that works properly. Curretly Obama's plan helps the Pharm industry control drug prices and that will increase insurance and medical bills. It changes nothing in the long run. But if it were done in a way that neither the Pharm industry was dictating drug prices, or the insurance companies bogusly jacking-up prices, and if it were managed so that equal share of the funds are used for all class of people, the way it would benefit you would be in reduced medical bills and drug prices.
I'm not totally opposed to healthcare for everybody.
Remember, the money is taken from you now with high medical costs and high drug prices; you're already losing the money, you're just losing it to CEO's, lobbyist, politicians, etc. I don't really think that I am losing any money. A small portion of my paycheck comes out before taxes to pay for medical coverage, that my employer chips in on. I pretty much self medicate myself unless I need an antibiotic. But those aren't very expensive. I pay $20 copay to the doctor when I very rarely go (< 1/year). I don't see where I, personally, am already losing the money.
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What are we talking about here? $100/month? What?! For family insurance? I don't think so dude. Back in my 9-5 days, for family insurance, through the company I worked for, was close to $300 per month. One of the things that pisses me off is that my girlfriend and I are waiting to have kids. She's still in school and we're gonna wait until after she graduates and gets a decent job with health benefits so that she has adequate insurance and we can afford it better. What we're not doing is saying fuck it, lets just let the government pay for it. She could easily get aid as a single mother. We could probably even "bleed the beast", so to speak. Now, last April, one "everyone for himself" guy was explaining to me how, regardless of what you do have, you should claim 2 kids on your taxes, ones from different mothers, so that you get the most money back. I was appauled. I'm taking great strides to put myself in a situation where I am capable of taking care of myself and my own without having to rely on the government while the people around me are saying fuck it, let someone else take care of me. That's the kind of experiences that cause me to not want to give more free shit to people.
Lets look at the numbers though. Blacks are a minority, and blacks without jobs are also a minority within themselves. So what impact, if any, do a few people who take advantage of a system have on the overall outcome of the system? Its not just the jobless blacks... there's a shitload of "everyone for themself"s out here and I think they're having a significant impact on the system. Providing them more opportunity to take better advantage is something I oppose.
I'm not totally opposed to healthcare for everybody. Then we agree. I would then suggest we ALL need to find a system that we can all agree is fair. Open discourse, thats all we need at that point. And I think we can find common ground.
Yes, I think you're right.
Well whatever it is for you personally pay (remembering that it will increase once you start a family, have kids, and hopefully your kids aren't sick children) it would be less, if not completely free. I'm not convinced that universal healthcare is not going to cost me, personally, more money. I might save money on insurance costs, but at the end of the day? Somebody's gotta pay for this stuff, its seems us single middle class income bracket guys are the ones who have been doing it.
Then with the money you save, you can buy a new gun rack and a "Get-R-Done" hat.   that was hilarious even though it was off the mark What are you gonna get? Another one of these:
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Even with insurance the way it is now you could be screwed. I got, what I felt was, screwed by my insruance. I damn near cut my thumb off and, even as one of those macho guys who doesn't ever feel like he needs a doctor, I realized that I was definately gonna need some help in this instance. I went to the emergency room at a hospital that was specifically covered by my insurance. Little did I know that the emergency room was ran by a third party, out of Texas IIRC, that was not covered by my insurance. So instead of paying 80% they only paid 20% of the cost. I was pissed because I went to that hospital on purpose because I was under the impression I was covered. I can see how if it would have been something much more serious, I could have been.. (I actually heard this one from one of our customers) stuck between a wet dog and a fly rod.
Now, last April, one "everyone for himself" guy was explaining to me how, regardless of what you do have, you should claim 2 kids on your taxes, ones from different mothers, so that you get the most money back. I was appauled. This is called tax fraud and is a crime. How is it the government's fault that this guy is deciding to break the law?
I was exemplifying the mentality that runs rampant 'round herr, not blaming the government, to explain why my attitude is negetive.
What about instead of giving "free shit to people" you say lets get together and all join the same insurance pool that we create via our democracy? If its such a great idea, then why the need for federal legislation to force people into the group? Can't you all create this thing without making laws that include me?
And for those who can't afford to pitch in, by us helping them we know that more of them get to the point where they can pitch in. I'm not convinced. It could go the other way too, where more deadbeats are getting more free shit and perpetuating their deadbeatary. Plus, now that they have better healthcare, they can multiply even more. How do you know that society, as a whole, wouldn't be better off if we reduce the problem but preventing their multiplying by maintaining the current healthcare?
The deadbeats where you are are the minority. That IS a fact. Should I just take your word for that?
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in-network, out-of-network, Same here. The hospital was in-network, the emergency room was out-of-network 
Because it can't work without you. Non-profit insurance exists but what happens is ppl like you don't want to participate and it only works if everybody does. Without you in the pool, without some young 20-something who feels invincible and doesn't want to participate, the costs become astronomical even if you combine all the insurance pools. Oh... that sucks. Maybe there's a better way?
It is a matter of national public interest. Thats why. Assuming it does benefit national public interest. I don't know if it does or not.
Also, read my recent post about the return on investment of health care. You helping to provide people with health care makes you money. It is a fact. If you could take the time to explain to me how that works out (look where I asked in that previous message), I would appreciate it. You might even change my mind.
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