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Bolder-dash
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Message 169 of 184 (538809)
12-10-2009 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by Hyroglyphx
10-20-2009 9:58 AM


Re: CATO
When you have government run institutions for art work like the National Endowment for Arts, it is no wonder why the United States is this in debt.
That would be hilariously funny if it wasn't so dam stupid. The United States is not in debt because it funds art. Were you drunk when you wrote this?
The fact is, as a society, we have decided that we want to have a country which has value for living in-which includes nice roads, good hospitals, good schools, scientific research, culture, and entertainment. You have taken this simplistic stance that paying for those things causes money to just disappear into thin air-and thus this great debt is created that causes this burden for the entire society. Not only is that short sighted thinking, it is economic hogwash. Governments spend money, and in turn they create jobs, they circulate money throughout the society and they create worth. Perhaps the only thing that causes our nation to incur debt as a result of spending, is when we wage war, and engage in other international escapes like in the middle east, where our money is handed out to Iraqi and Afghan warlords.
The main thing that destroys a country's economy and causes ruin, is when too much money is allowed to get into the hands of too few people. This is precisely what your vaunted "free market" actually achieves. Do we need free enterprise, sure. But the constraints, or lack thereof, that "free marketers" like you and the repugnant Phage0070 wish to operate under would be the worst recipe possible for a society that anyone would want to live in. No one would concern themselves with the long term goals of a company or society, instead they would simply make as much profit as quickly as possible, at the expensive of quality, at the expense of social responsibility, at the expense of employing as few people as possible, at the expense of transparency, at the expense of the country's future stability. If I can make more than my neighbor, in whatever legal means necessary, than that is nirvana.
Well, that may be nirvana for you, but it is not nirvana for a country. I suggest if that is your goal, go move to a small island and make as much money as you can all by yourself, because your ideals don't work at all with the concept of a community and a country.
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Bolder-dash
Member (Idle past 3659 days)
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From: China
Joined: 11-14-2009


Message 171 of 184 (538823)
12-10-2009 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by Hyroglyphx
12-10-2009 10:18 AM


Re: CATO
You might want to be careful making too many observations about how you think China's economy works, until you have a complete understanding of how a country on a similar amount of land mass as America, but with nearly 5 times the population and with a much smaller amount of that land arable, manages to adequately feed the entire nation-for the most part better than America does.
However, if you want to see a clear example of what happens when you let greed run free, just look at America for the past 8 years. Not a model I think many countries would wish to emulate.
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Edited by Bolder-dash, : math

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Bolder-dash
Member (Idle past 3659 days)
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From: China
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Message 172 of 184 (538826)
12-10-2009 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by Hyroglyphx
12-10-2009 10:18 AM


Re: CATO
BTW, I believe the spending for the National Endowment for the Arts was approximately .0048 of 1 percent of the federal budget in 2008.
For 2009 it was proposed by the White House to be less than half of that, but I believe it has now been dropped to zero.
And I think yes there is ONE souce of the deficit for America.
Bombs, and the accessories for dropping them.

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Bolder-dash
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Message 173 of 184 (539019)
12-12-2009 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by Hyroglyphx
12-10-2009 10:18 AM


Re: CATO
There is another more obvious problem with the free market ideals of yours and Phage0070.
Countries need a certain labor force. We need people to install telephone lines, and fix washing machines, and to build streets and do all kinds of other things. Those people will never be paid as much as stock brokers and actors and sports stars. And yet they provide as much value and more likely more to the society than the other professions.
In your free market scenario, you want those people to to be happy with what they have, or find something else to do, and leave the finer benefits of life to the stock brokers and movie stars. And yet we only have a limited number of resources for people to do those jobs, and we still need the workers. So it is definitely in the country's best interest that the people who are doing the jobs that are never going to be high paying, at least are able to sustain a life that is rewarding and safe, and that includes having their children not be susceptible from dying because they can't afford health insurance.
This is such common sense that it seems it shouldn't even need to be pointed out to some people..but frankly some people are just stupid and fail to understand that some government spending is good, useful and necessary.

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Bolder-dash
Member (Idle past 3659 days)
Posts: 983
From: China
Joined: 11-14-2009


Message 176 of 184 (539031)
12-12-2009 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by Hyroglyphx
12-12-2009 9:37 AM


Re: CATO
Why do you want the government to insure that it citizens get water, or protection from missiles, but not protection from diseases?

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Bolder-dash
Member (Idle past 3659 days)
Posts: 983
From: China
Joined: 11-14-2009


Message 180 of 184 (539039)
12-12-2009 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by onifre
12-12-2009 10:29 AM


Re: CATO
Talk about off topic!
The people eat there just fine by the way.
BTW, when will you be going to the UN to protest the actions of Israel? Maybe I can go with you?

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Bolder-dash
Member (Idle past 3659 days)
Posts: 983
From: China
Joined: 11-14-2009


Message 182 of 184 (539046)
12-12-2009 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Hyroglyphx
12-12-2009 11:02 AM


Re: CATO
Ahem...George W. Bush, Dick Cheney.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

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Bolder-dash
Member (Idle past 3659 days)
Posts: 983
From: China
Joined: 11-14-2009


Message 184 of 184 (539048)
12-12-2009 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Hyroglyphx
12-12-2009 12:59 PM


Re: CATO
Even counting their mothers and daughters, five voting for them is way too many.
Do you think everyone in China hates the Tibetans?

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