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jar
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Message 112 of 144 (607252)
03-02-2011 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Taq
03-02-2011 3:24 PM


Re: Hypothetical Situation
Taq writes:
A pharmaceutical company has developed a compound that kills a broad spectrum of bacteria in standard cultures with a very low incidence of resistance. This same drug also kills bacteria that are resistant to other antibiotics. However, the scientists at the company have no idea if it is toxic in humans. What should they do first?
1. Expose plants to the drug.
2. Expose mice to the drug.
3. Expose chimps to the drug.
4. Expose humans to the drug.
5. Never test the drug and never release it while millions of people die from bacterial infections.
Start with mice, move on to more similar critters like pigs and chimps, use simulations to test as many possible human toxicity conditions as possible and if the results still look promising do a double blind test on human volunteers. Keep meticulous records.

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jar
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Message 115 of 144 (607341)
03-03-2011 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Taq
03-03-2011 1:24 AM


Re: Hypothetical Situation
Taq writes:
Start with mice, move on to more similar critters like pigs and chimps, use simulations to test as many possible human toxicity conditions as possible and if the results still look promising do a double blind test on human volunteers. Keep meticulous records.
Why not start with chimps or human volunteers?
Mice and rats have shorter life spans and faster development.

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jar
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Message 121 of 144 (607356)
03-03-2011 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by Peter
03-03-2011 9:49 AM


Re: Hypothetical Situation
Peter writes:
... but they aren't a great match phsyiologically ... are they?
What about trialling on people dying of whatever the thing is supposed to cure?
I'm sure a sufferer would be more than willing to give informed consent.
In many ways they are. Also because they have shorter lives and are more fecund we may be able to learn things such as whether or not there are effects related to reproduction.

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