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DC85
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Message 37 of 144 (548037)
02-25-2010 1:03 AM


what is sentient?
Sort of. I see a sentient human being,
This keeps getting thrown around in this topic. I can't help but wonder how we're defining this word. I've often read that the speculated reason the Physically inferior Homo Sapien Sapien survived and Homo Sapien neanderthalis did not is because we had a more sophisticated communications and language skills. When Human tools and Neanderthal tools are compared we see that they both seem to serve the purpose however Homo Sapien Sapien tools of the same time seemed to be more artistic. Maybe we have more conscious self awareness? What is sentience and is it only the way we are?
I may need to start a new topic but this seems relevant

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Message 57 of 144 (548103)
02-25-2010 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Nuggin
02-25-2010 11:10 AM


Re: what is sentient?
This sort of thinking has been popular in anthropological circles for a long time.
The problem is there isn't really any evidence to support the claims.
Did we have more sophisticated language than neanderthals? No evidence for or against.
Are our tools more "artistic"? Opinion. Further, it doesn't carry any weight.
It is true that we painted cave walls and they didn't. But does that mean they never created art? For all we know they could have been the world's greatest wittlers.
We know they had religion. We know they were doing things with bear skulls which serve no functional purpose and therefore are artistic.
The primary reason that we survived while they didn't was that the environment in which they had lived for so long was changing faster than they could adapt to it.
Neanderthals were supremely well adapted to the cold and to killing big game animals in upclose attacks.
They could thrust a spear through a mastadon no problem.
What they could not do was throw a spear and hit a deer.
Morphologically, they were set up to take down big game once in a while and use that to feed the clan. We are set up to take down medium to small game often in order to feed our clan.
When the weather changed, the ratio of small to big game changed with it. Neanderthals disappeared for the same reasons the big game disappeared, they no longer fit that environment.
The question then becomes - will this new Neanderthal have a problem surviving in our environment.
I would suggest not. I can't hunt down and kill anything, I have absolutely no problem getting food.
Even so my thoughts are that the mind of a Neanderthal may function very differently from our own. Last time I read up on Neanderthals the consensus seemed to be that they were in fact a different species and not a subspecies and we chained off from each other somewhere between Homo erectus and Homo ergaster which pushes the evolutionary difference between us to around a million years... Neanderthal Psychology could be very different. How would we deal with it? Would we even be able to communicate? Indeed it would give us insight into our own minds.
Edited by DC85, : spelling error

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Message 63 of 144 (548141)
02-25-2010 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Meldinoor
02-24-2010 1:10 PM


As for the first cloned individual, I think the situation should be handled delicately. Keep him separated from common society and the paparazzi ('cause face it, this guy (or girl) would be something of a celebrity). Let the researchers raise him within a comfortable environment, taking note of whatever differences might make it hard for him to integrate with society. Sure, he may not get to live a public life, but he would never have to work, and he'd be provided with everything he could possibly need.
I suspect it wouldn't as big of a problem as people seem to think. throw jeans and a T-shirt on them and i don't think people will notice. He might come off as a short fat kid....

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