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Huntard
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Message 3 of 118 (572294)
08-05-2010 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by kanedotca
08-05-2010 7:20 AM


Hello kanedotca and welcome to EvC!
kanedotca writes:
I have sought out this forum because i had a thought last night that has been eating at me and wondered if anyone else has ever proposed this.
This is a good place to learn, so I'd say you chose wisely.
Is evolution a part of creation?
Yes, this has been proposed before, it's called Theistic evolution
Science is quickly proving that evolution is true. A few hundred years ago science proved that the world is round. This went against everything historically believed and was integrated into common belief without changing the teachings of any religion. Will evolution be integrated the same way?
In many denominations, it already has, i.e. Catholicism.
Creationism tells us that the world was created in a short period of time only a short time ago. This statement on its own cannot be true, however we may simple be interpreting it poorly. What if consciousness, souls, self awareness and intelligence were created as creationism states and they were a product of god’s studies in evolution.
And what if not? Are there souls to begin with? Are the other things you mention something seperate from the mind/brain?
Am I on the right track? Could this theory be the balance that can find harmony between these two passionate sides of a needless argument?
Well, since the idea (theistic evlution) has been around for some while, and the creationists still reject it, I don't think you're gonna have anymore luck than anyone else. But hey, the try is nice.

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Huntard
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Message 34 of 118 (572960)
08-09-2010 3:57 AM
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08-08-2010 1:21 PM


Dogmafood writes:
Is there an opposing hypothesis that god is a product of evolution?
If you mean a product of bilogical evolution, then no, I'm not aware of any hypothesis with that point of view. As Jar pointed out however, the concept of god is an ever changing one, and so, can be said to evolve, just not in the same sense that life evolves, if you catch my drift.
Welcome to EvC by the way!
Edited by Huntard, : Added welcome

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Huntard
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Message 36 of 118 (572975)
08-09-2010 9:09 AM
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08-09-2010 8:28 AM


Dogmafood writes:
Thanks for the welcome and the replies. It sure feels like my kind of place. I am like a hungry man who found the buffet table.
You're welcome.
It is a bit of a nebulous thought but could it be that the god concept is a necessary product of an intellect at out stage of development?
I would say yes, but with a twist. See, in the "beginning" as homo spaiens was a newly emerging species, we of course did not have scientific explanations for even the most basic things (plants growing, lightning, the seasons), and becuase people don't like not knowing, and thus, not having any influence over something, they "invented" gods, so that they could "influence" things, even if it was by sacrificing and praying to the gods, who would still decide on their own wim to regard the sacrifice/prayer or not.
It certainly seems to be omnipresent.
Well, religions have become very good at indoctrinating people from a young age onward.
Are there any cultures that do not have or never had a god concept?
Not that I know, though strictly speaking, Buddha is not a god.
Perhaps these questions belong in a different thread.
Well, you could always propose a new topic over at the Proposed New Topics forum.
Also, a free tip, use the "peek" button on the bottom right of this post to see how I did those neat little quoteboxes.

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Huntard
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Message 71 of 118 (574464)
08-16-2010 5:01 AM
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08-16-2010 4:40 AM


Re: Circular argument
Jumped Up Chimpanzee writes:
I never said it did care, nor did I claim it "guides development". Anyway, you claimed that God created evolution. That's the title of your topic. Are you now saying that God doesn't care for us or guide evolution?
I think you have him confused. He never claims this, nor is this his topic. It's Kanedotca's topic. You are responding to archaeologist.

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