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Tram law
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Message 105 of 118 (606878)
02-28-2011 7:08 PM


Saying that God created evolutions is completely antithetical to creationism and quite possibly sophistry to boot.
Because God creates everything every step of the way out of thin air in the Bible.
Except for Adam, which he uses clay. And then Eve with which he uses a part of Adam's rib.
But Evolution does not create things out of thin air like creationism does.
If God can create anything he needs out of thin air he doesn't need Evolution.
If God is omnipotent he does not need Evolution.

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Tram law
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Message 108 of 118 (607037)
03-01-2011 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by New Cat's Eye
03-01-2011 10:44 AM


Catholic Scientist writes:
Saying that God created evolutions is completely antithetical to creationism and quite possibly sophistry to boot.
I don't think so.
Because God creates everything every step of the way out of thin air in the Bible.
Except for Adam, which he uses clay. And then Eve with which he uses a part of Adam's rib.
But Evolution does not create things out of thin air like creationism does.
In Genesis 1, the earth brings forth the animals.
quote:
Gen1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so
In Genesis 2, God froms the animals out of the ground.
quote:
Gen2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
They are not created out of thin air.
But Evolution does not create things out of thin air like creationism does.
If God can create anything he needs out of thin air he doesn't need Evolution.
I wouldn't say he needed it, per se, but we can tell that it did, in fact, happen that way.
If God is omnipotent he does not need Evolution.
Or anything at all. But alas, here we are surrounded by animals that have evolved.
In which Bible? In KJV he does not form animals out of the ground.
But yes, trying to mesh two different things into one to appease people is sophistry.

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Tram law
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Message 110 of 118 (607175)
03-02-2011 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by New Cat's Eye
03-01-2011 2:57 PM


Catholic Scientist writes:
In which Bible? In KJV he does not form animals out of the ground.
Those quotes were from the KJV
But yes, trying to mesh two different things into one to appease people is sophistry.
Since I haven't done that, you haven't shown any sophism on my part.
Okay, you are right in the KJV does say versus like:
quote:
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
However, that is still not evolution. So yes, it is indeed sophistry to mesh the two subjects, because God is still creating them every single step of the way.
The Bible does not support Evolution, and to say it is evolution is sophistry.
But then again, it's a common Christian tactic to put a Christian spin on things in order to take credit for it, especially if something is very popular and can not be beaten down by Christianity.
For it to be evolution, the Bible has to explicitly say it's evolution. Otherwise, it's an interpretation of ambiguous language that can be interpreted any way a person wants to.
Edited by Tram law, : No reason given.

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Tram law
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Message 113 of 118 (607509)
03-04-2011 10:15 AM


The sophism is the meshing of the two subjects into one in order to purposefully confuse the matter in order to appease a broad populace.
And that the specific claim is that "the Bible states that God created Evolution to create life and that caused the earth to being forth the animals".
And the Bible does not explicitly or specifically say such a thing. It is actually fairly ambiguous on the matter in that it does not explicitly describe the mechanism on which God uses to create life. Any conclusion is an interpretation that really can not be verified.
It is all based on personal interpretation. And all personal interpretation is based on one's own prejudices and interests.
For instance, we could claim that God is simply converting energy into matter so that he can cause the earth to bring forth the Animals. And therefore disproves the theory of evolution.
And there are many more ways to interpret the passages. There is an old saying around my neck of the woods. You get a hundred different people and a hundred different people will give a hundred different interpretations of the scripture, and each and every single one of the will think that they and only they can be right and nobody else can be right.

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Tram law
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Message 115 of 118 (607517)
03-04-2011 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by New Cat's Eye
03-04-2011 10:34 AM


Catholic Scientist writes:
The sophism is the meshing of the two subjects into one in order to purposefully confuse the matter in order to appease a broad populace.
Do you have an example?
And that the specific claim is that "the Bible states that God created Evolution to create life and that caused the earth to being forth the animals".
I haven't seen that.
And the Bible does not explicitly or specifically say such a thing. It is actually fairly ambiguous on the matter in that it does not explicitly describe the mechanism on which God uses to create life. Any conclusion is an interpretation that really can not be verified.
It is all based on personal interpretation. And all personal interpretation is based on one's own prejudices and interests.
For instance, we could claim that God is simply converting energy into matter so that he can cause the earth to bring forth the Animals. And therefore disproves the theory of evolution.
And there are many more ways to interpret the passages. There is an old saying around my neck of the woods. You get a hundred different people and a hundred different people will give a hundred different interpretations of the scripture, and each and every single one of the will think that they and only they can be right and nobody else can be right.
So, you're assuming a sophistic argument has been made so that you can call it sophistic?
A: Please don't play games with me and please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not playing games with you.
B: That's the subject of the entire thread. The title of it is "God created Evolution". If you haven't seen it then you're just playing games.
Edit:
Here's an essay to read. It's about the pope's statements on Evolution:
The Vatican's View of Evolution: Pope Paul II and Pope Pius
However, it is indeed my personal beliefs that evolution is antithetical to creationism.
Edited by Tram law, : No reason given.

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Tram law
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Message 117 of 118 (607553)
03-04-2011 2:16 PM


Spoken like a true Christian.

  
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