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Monk
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Message 16 of 103 (237551)
08-26-2005 8:54 PM
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08-26-2005 8:44 PM


Re: Something smells fishy
Because the list is several years old.

Well that's what I'm asking. How do you know? Link?


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arachnophilia
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Message 17 of 103 (237553)
08-26-2005 9:18 PM
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08-26-2005 4:52 PM


Re: Something smells fishy
If they scoured their membership list for scientists and then used their names without permission to further their cause, that's wrong. But I get the impression Davidson was interested in more than a few CD's when he joined.

i'm not sure. wanna email him?

quote:
Robert C Davidson;
Associate Professor Emeritus, Medicine/Division of Nephrology
Scribner Kidney Ceter
rcraigdmd(AT)aol.com

i love the internet sometimes. i've removed the phone number, of course, so that we don't get a lot of people bothering him during office hours.

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Message 18 of 103 (237557)
08-26-2005 9:24 PM
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08-26-2005 8:54 PM


Re: Something smells fishy
Well that's what I'm asking. How do you know? Link?

because I saw it several years ago.

I don't expect you to take my word for it. I expect YOU to go find out if you are really that concerned. perhaps you could e-mail DI and ask when he joined?

I also know that the list is continually misrepresented as supporting ID -- do you agree that it doesn't?


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Message 19 of 103 (237558)
08-26-2005 9:25 PM
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08-26-2005 9:18 PM


Re: Something smells fishy
It would be interesting to e-mail each one on the list and get an update ...

... and see if they want to endorse my pro-ID statement ...


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arachnophilia
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Message 20 of 103 (237559)
08-26-2005 9:26 PM
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08-26-2005 8:44 PM


Re: Something smells fishy
Because the list is several years old.

the list i found was updated july 2005, and he's still on it.

just for fun, here's the join page: http://www.discovery.org/membershipReg/

quote:
Membership Type:
Annual Member - $50 (Pick 1 Free DVD below)
Associate Member - $100 (Pick 1 Free DVD below)
Discovery Society Membership - $300 (Get All 3 DVDs Below)
Patron Member - $500 (Get All 3 DVDs Below)
President's Club - $1000 (Get All 3 DVDs Below)

it certainly is an EXPENSIVE non-profit organization. maybe all of that money goes to their "non-partisan" lobbying efforts...


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arachnophilia
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Message 21 of 103 (237560)
08-26-2005 9:27 PM
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08-26-2005 9:25 PM


Re: Something smells fishy
It would be interesting to e-mail each one on the list and get an update ...

... and see if they want to endorse my pro-ID statement ...

wanna make a project of this? we could probably turn up the emails of each and every one of these people. faculty directories are suprisingly handy. i mean, we know where people like behe and dembsky stand, but it's be interesting to see how many of the less-well-known people don't actually agree totally.


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Monk
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Message 22 of 103 (237561)
08-26-2005 9:30 PM
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08-26-2005 9:24 PM


Re: Something smells fishy
Damn, too slow. I found the list also that had Davidson on it. And no, I generally don't take anyones word for it without some evidence, that's the creo method isn't it?
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Monk
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Message 23 of 103 (237562)
08-26-2005 9:32 PM
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08-26-2005 9:27 PM


Re: Something smells fishy
wanna make a project of this?

Sounds interesting, might even get some media attention with the results.


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Message 24 of 103 (237564)
08-26-2005 9:39 PM
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08-26-2005 9:26 PM


Re: Something smells fishy
the list i found was updated july 2005

how do you know anyone was added?

on the steve list you can see the dates behind the names. (591 as of 8/26/05)

and compare the DI statement to the one for the Steve List:

Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate scientific debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism of evolution. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to "intelligent design," to be introduced into the science curricula of the public schools.

No quibbling there.


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Message 25 of 103 (237567)
08-26-2005 9:47 PM
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08-26-2005 9:30 PM


Re: Something smells fishy
Agreed. The problem as I see it is that no-one I know of kept a record of the DI list when it first appeared for comparison (and to log the date). To begin with it is a logical fallacy that it really means anything: the statement does not endorse ID, just being skeptical, and it is an argument from authority and thus invalid logically. The opinions of 1,000,000 scientists are irrelevant in the face of evidence.

It is easy to {save} a new version and {update} the list periodically to make it appear {new\improve\supersized}, so this {updated} means little without supporting evidence of new additions.

but I also would suggest that if Davidson's name is still on it that they don't have a replacement since he "resigned" ... just a thought.


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arachnophilia
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Message 26 of 103 (237568)
08-26-2005 9:47 PM
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08-26-2005 9:39 PM


Re: Something smells fishy
how do you know anyone was added?

*shrug* i dunno. it's not a very good list. i didn't make it.

on the steve list you can see the dates behind the names. (591 as of 8/26/05)

and compare the DI statement to the one for the Steve List:

yeah. lot less quibbling matterial. but then, the other list is all about quibbling, isn't it? it's arguing the acceptance of something almost no one is seriously debating in the scientific community. and they need as many members as possible, so the statements have to be as vague as possible -- meaning some people might have signed when it doesn't reflect their beliefs.

such as davidson.


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Message 27 of 103 (237569)
08-26-2005 9:49 PM
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08-26-2005 9:39 PM


Re: Something smells fishy
how do you know anyone was added?

In this Article they mention adding people recently.


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arachnophilia
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Message 28 of 103 (237570)
08-26-2005 9:49 PM
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08-26-2005 9:32 PM


Re: Something smells fishy
yeah, it would be an interesting thing to do.

i'm sure it'd probably make potm over at t.o. if someone were to cross-post it.

edit: actually, my little brother is looking for a science fair project... maybe i'll suggest it to him. having a kid ask the questions might be more effective.

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Message 29 of 103 (237571)
08-26-2005 9:49 PM
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08-26-2005 9:27 PM


Re: Something smells fishy
wanna make a project of this?

just what I need, another project ... know any good sources of cardboard?

http://http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=986&m=1


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arachnophilia
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Message 30 of 103 (237575)
08-26-2005 9:57 PM
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08-26-2005 9:49 PM


Re: Something smells fishy
just what I need, another project

yeah, but this one would involve a lot less paper and magic markers.


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