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Author Topic:   Ushering In An Age of Reason....Or Not.....?
Jon
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Message 6 of 187 (623041)
07-07-2011 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
07-04-2011 12:13 PM


What is and What is Not.
So long as there are those who regard 'rationality, reason and evidence based inquiry' as uniquely atheistic phenomena, an age of reason can never be 'ushered into existence'.
Atheism and reason have nothing to do with one another.
Jon

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 10 of 187 (623259)
07-08-2011 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Straggler
07-08-2011 1:09 PM


Re: What is and What is Not.
You must surely acknowledge that it is the New Atheists that most effectively advocate the ideal of an "Age of Reason" - No?
Of course; you defined your 'Age of Reason' as being one of the tenets of New Atheism.
My point is that actual reasonable people do not advocate for your oppressive AoR; and that so long as there are folk out there like your New Atheists, there can never be a true age of reason.
What your New Atheists call 'reason' is just '... a belief that religion should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises' (New Atheists).
This isn't reason; it's just stupidity. So long as folk think such crap like this is reasonable there can never be an age of reasonno matter how much they wanna label it as such.
The idea that any theists are advocating such a thing seems a bit like turkeys voting for Christmas.
I am strongly in favor of reason. It's the rehashed prejudices that your New Atheists have wrapped and stamped as 'Reason' that concern me.
Jon

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 13 of 187 (623487)
07-10-2011 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Straggler
07-10-2011 7:21 PM


Re: What is and What is Not.
Jon writes:
Of course; you defined your 'Age of Reason' as being one of the tenets of New Atheism.
Did I.....?
Yes.
quote:
Straggler in Message 1:
An age in which religious and other superstitious beliefs are sidelined into irrelevance by a near universal acceptance that rationality, reason and evidence based inquiry hold the key to human advancement and progress.
quote:
Wikipedia on New Atheism:
According to CNN, "What the New Atheists share is a belief that religion should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized and exposed by rational argument wherever its influence arises."
So an age of reason is compatible with not-countering, not-criticizing and not exposing religion to rational argument.....?
I don't remember saying that.
But only as long as it doesn't get in the way of your unreasonable beliefs?
I don't remember saying that.
Would you like to describe what you mean by an "Age of Reason" and explain how religious/supernatural/paranormal beliefs are compatible with that then?
...
Can you explain why you think it is stupid to counter criticize and expose religion to rational argument?
...
So how do you define "reason"....? Does religious belief qualify as "reasoned" as far as you are concerned?
No thanks, Straggler. We've been down that road before; my time is more valuable than that.
Jon
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