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tsig
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Message 46 of 100 (156543)
11-06-2004 1:14 AM
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11-06-2004 12:54 AM


regardless of the varying laws of phyisics,

I wasen't aware that the laws of physics varyed. Thought qravity and inertia were pretty well nailed down. myb mistake when the value of friction changes and I fall.
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Message 47 of 100 (156544)
11-06-2004 1:15 AM
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11-06-2004 1:12 AM


No, because relativity and the laws of physics don't effect quantum processes, and quantum proesses are what creates complex matter.........therefore, only ONE universal solvent exists, in all the theoretical multiverse.......
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Message 48 of 100 (156546)
11-06-2004 1:17 AM
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11-06-2004 1:15 AM


No, because relativity and the laws of physics don't effect quantum processes

Huh? Quantum processes are the laws of physics. That's why quantum mechanics is a theory of physics.

You've left all bounds of sense, now.


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tsig
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Message 49 of 100 (156547)
11-06-2004 1:23 AM
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11-06-2004 1:15 AM


No, because relativity and the laws of physics don't effect quantum processes, and quantum proesses are what creates complex matter.........therefore, only ONE universal solvent exists, in all the theoretical multiverse.......

Since I know nothing of the multiverse, nor any univeral solvent, whitch would logically have to react with anything I just ahve to ak for your sources so enlightment may be achieved.
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tsig
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Message 50 of 100 (156549)
11-06-2004 1:25 AM
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11-06-2004 1:17 AM


I think a wormhole is about to be invoked, or a miracle
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Message 51 of 100 (156550)
11-06-2004 1:25 AM
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11-06-2004 1:17 AM


Um, no, I just think you don't know anything about quantum physics........quanta communicate at faster than light speeds.......there's one particular aspect of relativity broken right there..........electrons orbit a nucleus, held in position by a force we know isn't gravity.......macro-gravity has no effect on quanta, either. We know how quanta behave in relation to other quanta, and THAT'S what quantum mechanics is, but they don't behave that way because of macro-physical laws acting upon them.......they act that way simply because they act that way. There are no apparent forces acting upon them.
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tsig
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Message 52 of 100 (156551)
11-06-2004 1:26 AM
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11-06-2004 1:17 AM


Has anyone ever got the last word with you?
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Message 53 of 100 (156553)
11-06-2004 1:28 AM
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11-06-2004 1:26 AM


Not when they're wrong.....
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tsig
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Message 54 of 100 (156556)
11-06-2004 1:37 AM
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11-06-2004 1:28 AM


and everyone else is wrong?
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crashfrog
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Message 55 of 100 (156559)
11-06-2004 1:46 AM
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11-06-2004 1:25 AM


Oh, I get it. You think the theory of relativity constitutes all laws of physics.
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tsig
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Message 56 of 100 (156561)
11-06-2004 1:53 AM
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11-06-2004 1:46 AM


I think Rusty is running on empty. Maybe the 2nd law of thermodynmics is next?
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Message 57 of 100 (156577)
11-06-2004 5:54 AM
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11-06-2004 1:53 AM


Jason Chin Remix
We have all done this one with Jason before - why are we bothering? he will never accept that any element of his theories or ideas are wrong.

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Silent H
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Message 58 of 100 (156586)
11-06-2004 7:19 AM
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11-06-2004 5:54 AM


Re: Jason Chin Remix
Somehow I missed this Jason person before. Who is he?


holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
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Message 59 of 100 (156589)
11-06-2004 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by RustyShackelford
11-05-2004 11:47 PM


I need more than just your word,

You had more than just my word, you had my examples.

Perhaps you'd like to explain which ones you had a problem with?

1) To freeze water solid requires exposing a body of water to an environment sufficient that the body will lose enough "heat" or "energy" so that it becomes a solid. Water freezing top down helps shield water beneath the "lid" from external environments and so slows the energy drain and thus solidification... it doesn't prevent it, it merely slows it to a sufficient degree that many lakes and rivers won't freeze solid over normal winters.

2) Water does not freeze in tropical latitudes and some portions of temperate latitudes due to solar heating, which makes those environments "hot" and adds energy to water. Therefore the nature of how water freezes would have no impact on life in those regions.

3) Oceanic water has salinity which will help prevent freezing, perhaps to the same degree or more that an ice "lid" would create. If you have a problem with this I guess you don't salt your driveway in winter?

4) Even if oceans froze bottom-up, heat at the vents is so extreme that no ice would be capable of forming at those ridges. This is of course the only place life forming events are thought to occur when discussing abiogenesis at ocean floors and so ice would have no effect on that either.

These are not just my word, these are explanations of facts. Unless you want me to collect signatures to back this up, why don't you explain the fault with any of them.

since I've had the word of many others to the contrary.

Perhaps you would care to list their explanations of how bottom-up freezing would create the results they are claiming we would see in the world. Right now all I have is you saying that it just would. That is not even an explanation, much less a good one.


holmes
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Message 60 of 100 (156590)
11-06-2004 7:39 AM
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11-06-2004 7:19 AM


Re: Jason Chin Remix
Jason is Rusty is SirPimpsAlot is...


Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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