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Wounded King Member (Idle past 2258 days)  Posts: 4149 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Joined:
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According to the paper on D2700 the skull has suffered some damage which may account for some of the differences Al is seeing (Vekua et al., 2002) ...
The damage to the maxilla is what I was describing as wear. There is actually a side view in the paper which makes the degree of erosion around the teeth much clearer, you can easily appreciate that a large amount of the tooth roots are exposed (That image can be found here). To emphasise Coyote's point about multivariate analysis here are some of the measurement's the authors use to compare their new find to previously discovered specimens ...
* Max. cranial breadth * Max. biparietal breadth * Biauricular Breadth * Supraorbital torus thickness * Min. frontal breadth * Biorbital chord * Postorbital constriction index * Frontal arc * Frontal angle * Parietal arc * Lambda-asterion arc * Biasterionic breadth * Occipital arc * Occipital angle * Occipital scale index * Nasion-prosthion length * Malar height * Nasion angle * Bimaxillary chord * Subspinale angle * Orbit breadth * Orbit height * Nasal breadth * Nasal height TTFN, WK Edited by Wounded King, : No reason given.
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Big_Al35 Member Posts: 384 Joined: |
Yes, I am ignoring you deliberately.
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Tangle Member  Posts: 6875 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.2
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I suspect that not looking under the bed won't help you with your worry that there might be something under there. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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RAZD Member  Posts: 19868 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Curiously, Coyote is probably the best person on this thread to discuss fossils and the comparisons of shared (synapomorphies) and derived (apomorphies) features and how they are used to categorize fossils in a scientific process, rather than just looking at pictures. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Panda Member (Idle past 1876 days)  Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Since Big_Al32 is determined to remain completely ignorant, Coyote is actually the worst person in this thread. It is best for Big_Al32 if he avoids talking to anyone who is fully educated in the sphere of knowledge that Big_Al32 wants to remain wrong about. We all have a brain, but some creationists are convinced that it is best used as a paperweight. Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!
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Perdition Member (Idle past 1401 days)  Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
Everyone knows the brain is used for heat regulation, nothing else.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 269 days)  Posts: 6117 Joined:
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I have posted politely, presented solid evidence concerning the topic, and have firsthand experience with fossil man and the statistical treatments used to analyze the various skulls, and those are the posts you choose to ignore? I would be interested in your reasons for ignoring my posts. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 656 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Alright, I see that a lot of people have been trying a lot of different tactics. I'm not going to go back an read all 250 posts to see what's been posted. Clearly you are not convinced. I'll simply ask you two questions: #1) What do you feel is the best explanation for the fossils that exist? Can you answer these two questions honestly?
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Big_Al35 Member Posts: 384 Joined: |
My concern is that you appear to have only one explanation for how these fossils might have come about. Issues such as the effects of weathering, diet change, environmental factors, and medicine seem to be completely ignored. I am not even convinced by your dating arguments. And yes I am being honest! Edited by Big_Al35, : No reason given.
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Do you have any evidence that actual paleontologists are ignoring these things, or is this just your latest straw to grasp at in an attempt to not face known facts? Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Says the guy who is deliberately ignoring the archeologist
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Theodoric Member  Posts: 6264 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5
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Why didn't you answer the questions? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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RAZD Member Posts: 19868 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Curiously, diet change and environmental factors are what drive evolutionary changes over many generations, but these changes are slow. Weathering could account for erosion of bones in various areas, but it doesn't rebuild bone inside what is worn away, and this is why some teeth look longer than others, but this does not change the overall dimensions of the teeth. And medicine cannot alter skulls in a way that.
Then let's discuss age dating methods. We can start with Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1 And when you work your way all the way through the correlations, then we can get back to this. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 656 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined:
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Is it possible that issues which you think "seem to be completely ignored" are actually issues about which you have not researched? Have you bothered to look up what paleontologists have studies in regards to weather on fossils? Or about the effects of the various kinds of earth where they are found? As for "diet change" and "medicine", I fail to understand exactly what your objection is? Are you saying that paleontologists haven't studied T-Rex fossils to determine which medicines they were or were not taking? On that you've got us. We also haven't studied to see if they liked Cheers episodes with or without Diane. At a certain point, you restrict the research to only those things which are plausible.
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