Is morality absolute or relative?

Look, this is all nonsense. We know from game theory - a branch of mathematics - that it's more advantageous for a group to mutually cooperate than to compete against each other. In other words, if you share the pie instead of fight for it, everybody gets more pie.From this simple observation, it should be trivial to realize that societies enact laws not because they're duplicating some absolute moral precept inherent to the universe, but for the entirely prosaic reason that it's better for everyone to have laws instead of not having them.Laws are useful, whether they're enacted by the conventions of government or even enshrined into "morals." Societies that have them are more effective than those that don't. No surprise, then, that we see that all societies have laws. And apparently so many people don't have enough sense to do what's best for everybody that a lot of laws have to be couched in terms of "God sayz so" and "it's absolute" or else they won't follow them. Oh, well.No finite set of moral laws can successfully encapsulate all possible situations and moral choices. That observation more than anything else proves that "absolute morality" is a myth.

What, you find that a contentious statement? I would think you would find it pretty obvious that people don't like to live in chaos. Isn't that exactly what your side tells us will happen if there's no morals?

Genius can do that, sometimes.Try to concentrate more on responding to points raised and concentrate less on simply repeating the statements of your opponents with a bunch of question marks at the end.

Communities of humans have the right to arrive at a compromise about what morals that community will enforce, yes.

Why? Sounds about right, yeah. What about that is surprising to you? So, you only do the right thing because God is going to hurt you if you don't?

I don't get it.Is this stuff that you think we haven't heard before?

No, I get it. I used to be a Christian just like you, after all.Now, I'm not.Let me repeat that so I'm sure you understand - I totally understand your message. It's absolutely perfectly clear to me. It's also false.

Yeah, so was I. Born again, "personal relationship, not religion", all that. Yeah, totally. Totally had a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, just like you.Except, it's all fake. It's all false. That's what I learned.

I guess it is.

Yes, it is.Oh, I get it. You think that we reject "absolute morality" because we reject all absolutes.This is going to blow your mind - we accept absolutes. No, we do. Really. But just because absolutes exist doesn't mean that any giving thing is one of them.