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hooah212002
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Message 16 of 35 (677366)
10-29-2012 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Percy
10-29-2012 12:11 PM


Re: Windows 8?
There is a way to get a "normal" desktop, but what little I used it, it was severely gimped. I am far more experienced with a PC than an average person and in my opinion, it was not at all intuitive. It seemed like an entirely new OS. This was even with the desktop view. For example: I opened the email client and fuck me if I couldn't close it. I had to actually reboot my VM just to get out of the email.
Now, for touch interfaces? I could see it catching on. Like the desktop monitors that are touch enabled. But to use this interface with a keyboard/mouse is god damned retarded.

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Message 17 of 35 (677367)
10-29-2012 12:34 PM
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10-29-2012 12:27 PM


Re: Windows 8?
Hooah writes:
Now, for touch interfaces? I could see it catching on. Like the desktop monitors that are touch enabled. But to use this interface with a keyboard/mouse is god damned retarded.
We won't get to be like Star Trek TNG without touchscreen...so get used to it!
Keyboards and mice are what Klingons use, not us civilised races!!

"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 18 of 35 (677368)
10-29-2012 12:40 PM
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10-29-2012 12:27 PM


Re: Windows 8?
Can you imagine a touchscreen for a desktop?
That would be a pain in the ass. No way am I reaching up to my monitor when I have a nice, ergonomic mouse in a comfortable position.
Touchscreens are perfect for tablets and phones. Not so much for desktops, unless you start creating new peripherals - like a touchscreen keyboard and mousepad. And at that point I cant tell what the benefit would be in turning my desktop into the equivalent of a Nintendo DS.

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus
"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.

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hooah212002
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Message 19 of 35 (677427)
10-29-2012 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Rahvin
10-29-2012 12:40 PM


Re: Windows 8?
Can you imagine a touchscreen for a desktop?
They already have them: Touchscreen Monitors
That would be a pain in the ass. No way am I reaching up to my monitor when I have a nice, ergonomic mouse in a comfortable position.
For most circumstances, I agree. Well, for ANY home use, I agree.
This is what Win8 makes me think of:
(Idiocracy reference for the uninitiated)

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Message 20 of 35 (677434)
10-29-2012 5:23 PM
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10-29-2012 4:20 PM


Re: Windows 8?
I was aware that they already exist.
I'm also aware that sales are, shall we say, low. For the same reasons I mentioned.
I understand that MS is trying to use a single OS for both touch devices and more traditional PCs and notebooks, as opposed to Apple's tactic of using two separate operating systems.
I'd even be on board with that, if it was all we're talking about - I would love to have access to the same app repository on my desktop that I have on my phone/tablet and vice versa, so that I can seamlessly use the same apps across platforms. Not everything needs or would even work well with a touchscreen, but that's not important if you're not forced to do so.
Unfortunately Win8 comes with a harsh performance hit, and because we're still looking at the initial launch, there are virtually no apps (as compared to the Apple store or the Google Play store) in the repository. Additionally, it's unclear to me whether MS will be taking the harsh level of control over their app repository that Apple currently uses, or if they'll leave software installation basically open, as does Google with Android.
Time will tell. But as it is...Win8 is looking to me like a repeat of Vista.

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus
"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.

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Message 21 of 35 (677436)
10-29-2012 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Rahvin
10-29-2012 12:40 PM


Re: Windows 8?
Touchscreens are perfect for tablets and phones.
They also work nice behind the counters at Burger King.
Not so much for desktops, unless you start creating new peripherals - like a touchscreen keyboard and mousepad.
What would you look at? The keyboard or the monitor? No way I am having my neck bent down staring at my 'keyboard' for a couple hours while I do computer work.

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Message 22 of 35 (677437)
10-29-2012 5:47 PM
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10-29-2012 5:42 PM


Re: Windows 8?
No way I am having my neck bent down staring at my 'keyboard' for a couple hours while I do computer work.
My eyeballs can move around in the sockets.

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Message 23 of 35 (677438)
10-29-2012 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by hooah212002
10-29-2012 11:37 AM


Re: Windows 8?
MS is trying to force a tablet interface onto the desktop and it just doesn't work that way.
Tablet interfaces suck as it is. Touch screens are a pain in the ass to use. The only reason people use their touch-screen phones to surf the web is because there just isn't a way to do it with a keyboard and mouse, and it wouldn't be practical even if there were.
You just can't use that kind of an interface for doing real stuff on a computer. Unless real stuff means ringing up cheeseburgers.
Jon

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Message 24 of 35 (677440)
10-29-2012 5:50 PM
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10-29-2012 5:47 PM


Re: Windows 8?
Yeah, I'm hoping they eventually develop useful voice interfaces. They're only sort of there now, with too much error and having to retry or repeat.
--Percy

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Message 25 of 35 (677445)
10-29-2012 6:41 PM
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10-29-2012 5:42 PM


Re: Windows 8?
I'm holding out for a gestural interface. As a proficient touch typist, I want the device to read my fingers w/o needing a keyboard of any kind. Until then, I'll stick with keyboard and mouse--unless I'm afflicted against my will with a smart phone or tablet.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 26 of 35 (677447)
10-29-2012 6:44 PM
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10-29-2012 6:41 PM


Re: Windows 8?
I demand a synaptic interface!
READ MY MIND, EXPLORER.EXE!

The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus
"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.

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Message 27 of 35 (677448)
10-29-2012 7:06 PM
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10-29-2012 6:44 PM


Re: Windows 8?
Rahvin writes:
I demand a synaptic interface!
READ MY MIND, EXPLORER.EXE!
That would rock.
But I'd have to change operating systems. No way I'm letting Microsoft read my mind.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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hooah212002
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Message 28 of 35 (677450)
10-29-2012 7:32 PM
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10-29-2012 6:41 PM


Re: Windows 8?
I'm holding out for a gestural interface.
Minority Report style? I think I read somewhere that some shit like that is in the works.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 29 of 35 (677453)
10-29-2012 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by hooah212002
10-29-2012 7:32 PM


Re: Windows 8?
I haven't seen Minority Report, but yeah, I guess there's nothing new under the sun.
But I've thought for years that a device that could track my hands/fingers would be ideal--I'd also like to see a similar interface used to create/conduct music.
I can type around 100 wpm on a physical keyboard (clocked at 120 wpm in my youth--I've slowed), and if I didn't have to fully complete those digit gestures, I bet I could double that.
Add point and double-point, plus all the touchscreen stuff in 3-D instead of 2-D and without actual touch, and I think even voice would have difficulty matching the input density you could achieve.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 30 of 35 (677454)
10-29-2012 7:51 PM
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10-29-2012 7:42 PM


Re: Windows 8?
Yep. Here it is: Minority Report fiction becoming a reality
Large-scale motion and gesture-controlled computing is no longer confined to science fiction movies, as Los Angeles-based Oblong Industries again demonstrates its exciting software that gives users a fresh new way to interact with computers.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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