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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3486 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:Unfortunately you haven't been able to provide support for your absolutes. The English word eternal is an adjective and as we can see the examples given don't necessarily mean can never have a beginning nor an end. Eternity - Simple meaning 1 : having no beginning and no end in time : lasting forever ▪ eternal life ▪ eternal damnation ▪ eternal bliss ▪ the eternal flames of hell ▪ light an eternal flame [=a small fire that is kept burning as a symbol to show that something will never end] 2 : existing at all times : always true or valid ▪ eternal [=timeless] truths ▪ in search of eternal wisdom 3 : seeming to last forever ▪ When will his eternal whining stop? This English adjective does not define the rules of existence for other beings.
quote:It's clear that you don't really understand my position or the arguments I've presented. You're actually talking circles around yourself and aren't really addressing the arguments presented by the opposition. quote:I'm glad you've realized that your line of reasoning is flawed. quote:I understand. I didn't provide you with the standard arguments that would enable you to use your canned responses. That's the fun of debate: Unexpected responses, adventures in dealing with different views. Have a great summer.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Eliyahu has just proposed a new thread on the subject of the Trinity, but since the subject was discussed fairly recently here there's really no need for a new thread on the subject.
This thread was started by a Jehovah's Witness who is as concerned to argue that the Trinity is unbiblical as you are. You can find my answer to this challenge in Message 20 of this thread, and in a lengthy study at Blue Letter Bible, here. This is one of the few subjects that can only be answered by a list of scriptures that is too long to reproduce in a post. Here is a list of the topics covered in the outline:
An Outline Study i.There Is One Godii.This God is Known In The OT As Jehovah/Yahweh ("The Lord") iii.God Is A Unique, Incomprehensible Being iv.Is God One Person? v.The Father Of Jesus Christ Is God vi.Jesus Christ Is God vii.The Holy Spirit Is God viii.The Father, Son, And Holy Spirit Are Distinct Persons ix.Conclusion x.What Difference Does The Doctrine Of The Trinity Make? So he starts of course with the scriptures that affirm that God is One. The Trinity is revealed by the other scriptures that describe the Messiah as God and Jesus Christ as God, the Holy Spirit as God etc. So if you will consider this honestly you can see that the Trinity is definitely Biblical. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2289 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
Bs'd
Just give me the verses which according to you show that the trinity is Biblical.
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Alter2Ego Member (Idle past 3848 days) Posts: 72 From: Los Angeles, California Joined: |
ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:
Below is a verse of scripture that demonstrates the idiocy of the trinity dogma. "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool." (Psalms 110:1 -- King James Version) According to that scripture, God is literally talking to himself. During the conversation with himself, Jehovah (the Father) puts himself on his own right hand and refers to the enemy of the son (Jesus) as "your" enemy (indicating the enemy is Jesus' enemy and not Jehovah's), rather than using the possessive "our enemy""That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." (Psalms 83:18)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Again you confuse the Persons with the One God, the typical mistake Jehovah's Witnesses make.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Just happened to hear three really inspiring programs on Christian radio, one after the other, on a station that can be heard over the internet.
Two of the programs were on the history of heresies in the Church. Tomorrow all three will be repeated but not at the same times as today. They are all listed on the program for Pacific time so you have to convert to your time if you want to hear them. Page not found | Pilgrim RadioThe programs are listed in the left margin. Phil Johnson of John MacArthur's Masters College on heresis in the 19th century, will be repeated tomorrow: Sun. 8am, 10pm PACIFIC TIME (noon Eastern...) R C Sproul on the 5th century heresy of Monophysitism which confounds the two natures of Christ. Last week he covered Arianism, which is the heresy of the Jehovah's Witnesses, so the timing is wrong for hearing that, but Monophysitism is also a JW heresy, so I thought Alter might be interested.To be repeated tomorrow: Sun. 1pm, 9pm PACIFIC TIME The third program I happened to hear was Ravi Zacharias Sun. 1:30pm, 9:30pm PACIFIC TIME. Right after Sproul. Page not found | Pilgrim RadioThe programs are listed in the left margin. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2980 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Tomorrow all three will be repeated but not at the same times as today. They are all listed on the program for Pacific time so you have to convert to your time if you want to hear them. Sounds good. I needed to find something to listen to while I knit this sweater for my cat. Winter is coming! - Oni
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3486 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Hey Faith,
Your link isn't taking us directly to the article. This should take visitors to the article you referenced in Message 20: The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of the Trinity
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3486 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote: Psalm 110 doesn't demonstrate the idiocy of the Trinity Doctrine. It is a song. Article:
‘The Lord Said to My Lord...’ To Whom Was the Lord Speaking in Psalm 110:1? As far as I know, the words lord and master aren't common in the U.S. today outside of religious references. During Bible times they were very common outside of religious references. When looking at the Hebrew, this is probably a more accurate reading of the verse.
The Lord [God] said to my master [King David] Sit thou at my right hand... (Psalm 110:1)
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1372 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
quote: these are two different words in hebrew; one is the proper name of god, and one is a word that means "my lord", adonay. the problem is that a jewish person reading the text aloud would say "adonay" in both cases, and translations have chosen to reflect this tradition.
adon and adonay are used all the time to refer to human beings, though. it's just the tradition that makes us think anytime we hear "my lord" that means "god". Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.
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